رد: إيران تتطلع على أسرار مقاتلة أف-16 الأميركية بمساعدة حليفتها الفنزويلّية
ساجيبك ..مع العلم اننى لست متفرغا لكى ارد على كل مايقال .. و اترك الحكم للقارىء الواعى
سترى و تعرف انك الحيادية ابتعدت عنك ..و السبب : عواطفك و كرهك لايران !
اولا نحن لم نقارن الاف-16 الامارتية مع الاف -16 الفنزولية و نعلم الفرق!.. انا اتحدث عن اهتمام ايران بمكونات الطائرة من الناحية الديناميكية و بحث المقطع الرادارى و معرفة قطع التحديث الاسرائيلية الخ وربما تدرس الرادار و انظمة التوجيه و تساعدهها فى الهندسة العكسية لصناعتها حتى وان اختلف التطور ..لم لا ؟ ( سياتيك لاحقا التطوير الاسرائيلى ) يعنى الان تركت هندسة الطائرة المهم و الشكل الديناميكى و تعذرت بالرام ram ! .. ! برايىى المتواضع كل البلوكات لاف -16 لديها مقطع رادارى radar print متشابه و تنطلق من شكل الطائرة و صقولتها و انبعاث موجات من اجهزتها و بعضا من الرام !
خذ تلك الامثلة فقط من المعلومات
Venezuela’s F-16s have been modified to use the Israeli Python IV IR-guided air-to-air missile.[46] They are also capable of carrying the Rafael LITENING II targeting pod.
قامت اسرائيل بتعديل الطائرة باضافة صواريخ البايثون -5 (جو-جو ) و اضافة لوحة التصويت الخاصة بطائرة الرافال !
المصدر :
Jane’s All the World’s Aircraft (21 November 2007). “Lockheed Martin (General Dynamics) F-16 Fighting Falcon”. Jane’s Publishing.
ايضا بشكل مفصل :
Citing members of the Israeli defense ministry, the Israeli newspaper Yedidot Aharonot reports that pressure from Washington has now forced Israel to freeze a $100 million contract with Venezuela to upgrade its U.S.-manufactured F-16 fighter jets. The Fuerza "Aaerea Venezolana (FAV) had originally purchased the F-16A/B aircraft in 1982. Israel replaces" most of the original American equipment inside its F-16s with Israeli-designed electronics and other modules, making companies like Israel Aircraft Industries a viable second source project lead and integrator for F-16 maintenance and upgrade deals.
قامت اسرائيل بتحديث الطائرة الفنزويلية بمعدات اسرائيلية
In 2002, Israel sold Venezuela’s air force 54 surface-to-air missiles (apparently additional Barak-1s, which the FAV had integrated with Thales Netherlands’ Flycatcher radar in 1999); and in 2004, the FAV received 57 air-to-air missiles (apparently Python 4, nearly equivalent to the new AIM-9X Sidewinder
المصدر :
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/us-roadblocks-re-the-venezuelaisrael-f16-upgrade-politics-or-protectionism-01390/
ايضا هذا الخبر يحمل سبب اهتمام ايران وهو تقوية دفاعاتها ضد هجوم من طائرات الاف -16 لاختبار رادارات ايران ضدها تلك المقاتلات و تم تجربتها بواسطة الطيارين الفنزويليين ايضا و اخبروا عن امكاناتها ! و درست ايضا اداءها و مدى سرعتها على انظمة الرادار المحلية
In 1983, years before Chavez came to power, Venezuela purchased 23 F-16 fighter jets. At least half of these have been transferred in recent years to other states, in breach of the 1983 agreement with the U.S.
At least one F-16 was transferred to Iran in 2006. According to the report, the jet was disassembled and packed in several sealed and unmarked wooden containers. These were loaded on a Boeing 707 Venezuelan air force plane that took off from the El Libertador Air Base, stopping in Brazil and Algeria before landing in Tehran, where it was reassembled. Venezuelan pilots instructed Iranian pilots and technicians as to the jet's capabilities.
According to the news report, the F-16 was given to Iran so it could test its antiaircraft radar systems and become familiar with its capabilities, in preparation for a possible strike.
The trial flights in Iran were used to calibrate the Iranian air defense systems. Iranian officers also studied the speed of the F-16 on the radar screens.
It is as yet unclear how useful the jet fighter is for Iran's preparations, since the model transferred is relatively dated. The Israeli Air Force currently uses more advanced models fitted with Israeli electronic systems.
Apart from the plane supplied in 2006, information exists regarding further jet fighters supplied in 2009, when the director of the Venezuelan military industry paid a visit to Tehran. According to the ABC report, the minutes of the talks in Tehran, signed, among others, by Iran's Deputy Defense Minister, imply that Venezuela promised to speed up the transfer of more jet fighters.
Meanwhile, Iran's deputy chief of staff, Gen. Mostafa Izadi, said yesterday that an Israeli strike agains Iranian nuclear facilities would lead to the "collapse of the Zionist regime."
Izadi said that Israel "cannot harm Iran. If the Zionists attack us, they will be the ones annihilated in the end."
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http://indiandefenceboard.com/threa...ith-f-16-to-prepare-for-possible-strike.3123/
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نخرج الان من الموضوع و نرد ايضا
التومكات احدى اكثر الطائرات تعقيدا و قوة و اغلاها ثمنا ايضا ..و لا زالت ..وهى حتى اغلي من الاف 15 و الاف 16 ثمنا فى زمنها فى السبعينات !!
امريكا استغنت عنها بسبب تكلفتها و تعقيدها و كلفة تشغيلها لصالح البحرية و ليس لعدم قوتها مثلا .. و ابدلتها بالاهورنيت الاف 18 بمبدأ cost -effectiffness
اما ما قلت عنها و تشبيهها بالميغ 21.. فهو مضحك و يبدو انك لا تعرف الاف -14 !:ANSmile04[1]:
راجع معلوماتك المضروبة !!
59 طائرة اف 14 موجودة لدى ايران !!
It is still thought that Iran maintains about 59 of the original 79 F-14s airframes delivered in the 1970s. Of these at least two squadrons’ worth of aircraft (for the 81st and 82nd TFS) are currently operational
Read more : Iranian F-14 Tomcat History: Scourge of the Iraqi Air Force and Last Survivor of Their Line | Suite101.comhttp://suite101.com/article/iranian-f14-tomcat-history-a72990#ixzz1zHHJF22N
The F-14 in the Iran/Iraq War
The Iranian F-14 force saw much more combat than their US brothers. During the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war IRIAF F-14 drivers claimed some 100~ confirmed victories over Saddam Hussein’s air force. It is known that only 5 of the Iranian F-14s were lost in air to air combat during the war, giving them a very respectable kill ratio of some 20:1. Their victims included both older MiG-21 and 23 series aircraft but also the more advanced Mirage F1 and the vaunted MiG-25. Standing orders to pilots in Saddam Hussein’s air force was that when an F-14 arrived in the sky they were not to engage but to break off and evade combat. The most successful Iranian F-14 pilot was Major Jalal Zandi, who shot down 9 confirmed and 3 unconfirmed Iraqi combat aircraft. Another Iranian F-14 pilot, Major Rahnavard, flying alone attacked a formation of 12 Iraqi MiGs over the Persian Gulf in two separate engagements, downing four aircraft in one day
اداء الطائرات الايرانية و خاصة الاف 14 ايام الحرب العراقية الايرانية( كان رائعا !
المصدر اعلاه
:ترجمة :
سادت طائرة الاف -14 الاجواء و اصابت اكثر من 100 طائرة لسلاح الجو العراقى مقابل فقدان 5 طائرات اف 14 !! و نسبة الانتصار لاف 14 مقابل الطائرات العراقية هو 20 : 1 !!
اكثر الاصابات لسلاح الجو العراقى من طائرات الميغ 23 و الميراج اف 1 - و الميغ 25!!
The Iranian F-14 force saw much more combat than their US brothers. During the Iran-Iraq war IRIAF F-14 drivers claimed some 100~ confirmed victories over Saddam Hussein’s air force. It is known that only 5 of the Iranian F-14s were lost in air to air combat during the war, giving them a very respectable kill ratio of some 20:1. Their victims included both older MiG-21 and 23 series aircraft but also the more advanced Mirage F1 and the vaunted MiG-25. Standing orders to pilots in Saddam Hussein’s air force was that when an F-14 arrived in the sky they were not to engage but to break off and evade combat. The most successful Iranian F-14 pilot was Major Jalal Zandi, who shot down 9 confirmed and 3 unconfirmed Iraqi combat aircraft. Another Iranian F-14 pilot, Major Rahnavard, flying alone attacked a formation of 12 Iraqi MiGs
Read more at Suite101: Iranian F-14 Tomcat History: Scourge of the Iraqi Air Force and Last Survivor of Their Line | Suite101.com http://suite101.com/article/iranian-f14-tomcat-history-a72990#ixzz1zHG3Freu
اخيرا :
قبلت التحدى : انظر الى الصورة :a020[2]:
اسمها كرار ّ
انواع اخرى
مهاجر -4
صناعة الطائرة بدون طيار من النوع المسلح
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzzMQyfCxtE&feature=player_embedded
اخيرا
:ANSmile04[1]:
تحياتى
هذه صور كابينات الاف16
البلوك15
البلوك52
البلوك 60
هدية صورة لكابينة التومكات دي
الاف15 سترايك ايجل
وبخصوص الطائرة بدون طيار اتحداك ان تحضر لي صور اي طائرة بدون طيار ايرانية مسلحة .. اسرائيل وروسيا والصين واوروبا برمتها لم يستطيعوا تسليح طائرة بدون طيار ..؟! :close_tema[1]:
اخيرا قبل ان توجه النصائح هنا وهناك .. انظر لحالك أولا .. :ANSmile04[1]:
سؤال في محله .... :dunno[1]:
ونقطة مهمة ... هل يعول الايرانيون على قتال تلاحمي مع الطيران المهاجم
انه الانتحار بعينه :0126[1]:
كيف للميج العجوز أن تتصدى لكل قدرات التشويش الموجودة لدى دول الخليج + اسرائيل !
مع العلم ان بودات التشويش التي تسلحت بها الميراج العراقية في قادسية صدام فعلت العجب بالطيران الايراني !.!
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ساجيبك ..مع العلم اننى لست متفرغا لكى ارد على كل مايقال .. و اترك الحكم للقارىء الواعى
سترى و تعرف انك الحيادية ابتعدت عنك ..و السبب : عواطفك و كرهك لايران !
اولا نحن لم نقارن الاف-16 الامارتية مع الاف -16 الفنزولية و نعلم الفرق!.. انا اتحدث عن اهتمام ايران بمكونات الطائرة من الناحية الديناميكية و بحث المقطع الرادارى و معرفة قطع التحديث الاسرائيلية الخ وربما تدرس الرادار و انظمة التوجيه و تساعدهها فى الهندسة العكسية لصناعتها حتى وان اختلف التطور ..لم لا ؟ ( سياتيك لاحقا التطوير الاسرائيلى ) يعنى الان تركت هندسة الطائرة المهم و الشكل الديناميكى و تعذرت بالرام ram ! .. ! برايىى المتواضع كل البلوكات لاف -16 لديها مقطع رادارى radar print متشابه و تنطلق من شكل الطائرة و صقولتها و انبعاث موجات من اجهزتها و بعضا من الرام !
خذ تلك الامثلة فقط من المعلومات
Venezuela’s F-16s have been modified to use the Israeli Python IV IR-guided air-to-air missile.[46] They are also capable of carrying the Rafael LITENING II targeting pod.
قامت اسرائيل بتعديل الطائرة باضافة صواريخ البايثون -5 (جو-جو ) و اضافة لوحة التصويت الخاصة بطائرة الرافال !
المصدر :
Jane’s All the World’s Aircraft (21 November 2007). “Lockheed Martin (General Dynamics) F-16 Fighting Falcon”. Jane’s Publishing.
ايضا بشكل مفصل :
Citing members of the Israeli defense ministry, the Israeli newspaper Yedidot Aharonot reports that pressure from Washington has now forced Israel to freeze a $100 million contract with Venezuela to upgrade its U.S.-manufactured F-16 fighter jets. The Fuerza "Aaerea Venezolana (FAV) had originally purchased the F-16A/B aircraft in 1982. Israel replaces" most of the original American equipment inside its F-16s with Israeli-designed electronics and other modules, making companies like Israel Aircraft Industries a viable second source project lead and integrator for F-16 maintenance and upgrade deals.
قامت اسرائيل بتحديث الطائرة الفنزويلية بمعدات اسرائيلية
In 2002, Israel sold Venezuela’s air force 54 surface-to-air missiles (apparently additional Barak-1s, which the FAV had integrated with Thales Netherlands’ Flycatcher radar in 1999); and in 2004, the FAV received 57 air-to-air missiles (apparently Python 4, nearly equivalent to the new AIM-9X Sidewinder
المصدر :
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/us-roadblocks-re-the-venezuelaisrael-f16-upgrade-politics-or-protectionism-01390/
ايضا هذا الخبر يحمل سبب اهتمام ايران وهو تقوية دفاعاتها ضد هجوم من طائرات الاف -16 لاختبار رادارات ايران ضدها تلك المقاتلات و تم تجربتها بواسطة الطيارين الفنزويليين ايضا و اخبروا عن امكاناتها ! و درست ايضا اداءها و مدى سرعتها على انظمة الرادار المحلية
In 1983, years before Chavez came to power, Venezuela purchased 23 F-16 fighter jets. At least half of these have been transferred in recent years to other states, in breach of the 1983 agreement with the U.S.
At least one F-16 was transferred to Iran in 2006. According to the report, the jet was disassembled and packed in several sealed and unmarked wooden containers. These were loaded on a Boeing 707 Venezuelan air force plane that took off from the El Libertador Air Base, stopping in Brazil and Algeria before landing in Tehran, where it was reassembled. Venezuelan pilots instructed Iranian pilots and technicians as to the jet's capabilities.
According to the news report, the F-16 was given to Iran so it could test its antiaircraft radar systems and become familiar with its capabilities, in preparation for a possible strike.
The trial flights in Iran were used to calibrate the Iranian air defense systems. Iranian officers also studied the speed of the F-16 on the radar screens.
It is as yet unclear how useful the jet fighter is for Iran's preparations, since the model transferred is relatively dated. The Israeli Air Force currently uses more advanced models fitted with Israeli electronic systems.
Apart from the plane supplied in 2006, information exists regarding further jet fighters supplied in 2009, when the director of the Venezuelan military industry paid a visit to Tehran. According to the ABC report, the minutes of the talks in Tehran, signed, among others, by Iran's Deputy Defense Minister, imply that Venezuela promised to speed up the transfer of more jet fighters.
Meanwhile, Iran's deputy chief of staff, Gen. Mostafa Izadi, said yesterday that an Israeli strike agains Iranian nuclear facilities would lead to the "collapse of the Zionist regime."
Izadi said that Israel "cannot harm Iran. If the Zionists attack us, they will be the ones annihilated in the end."
[/QUOTE]
http://indiandefenceboard.com/threa...ith-f-16-to-prepare-for-possible-strike.3123/
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نخرج الان من الموضوع و نرد ايضا
التومكات احدى اكثر الطائرات تعقيدا و قوة و اغلاها ثمنا ايضا ..و لا زالت ..وهى حتى اغلي من الاف 15 و الاف 16 ثمنا فى زمنها فى السبعينات !!
امريكا استغنت عنها بسبب تكلفتها و تعقيدها و كلفة تشغيلها لصالح البحرية و ليس لعدم قوتها مثلا .. و ابدلتها بالاهورنيت الاف 18 بمبدأ cost -effectiffness
اما ما قلت عنها و تشبيهها بالميغ 21.. فهو مضحك و يبدو انك لا تعرف الاف -14 !:ANSmile04[1]:
راجع معلوماتك المضروبة !!
59 طائرة اف 14 موجودة لدى ايران !!
It is still thought that Iran maintains about 59 of the original 79 F-14s airframes delivered in the 1970s. Of these at least two squadrons’ worth of aircraft (for the 81st and 82nd TFS) are currently operational
Read more : Iranian F-14 Tomcat History: Scourge of the Iraqi Air Force and Last Survivor of Their Line | Suite101.comhttp://suite101.com/article/iranian-f14-tomcat-history-a72990#ixzz1zHHJF22N
The F-14 in the Iran/Iraq War
The Iranian F-14 force saw much more combat than their US brothers. During the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war IRIAF F-14 drivers claimed some 100~ confirmed victories over Saddam Hussein’s air force. It is known that only 5 of the Iranian F-14s were lost in air to air combat during the war, giving them a very respectable kill ratio of some 20:1. Their victims included both older MiG-21 and 23 series aircraft but also the more advanced Mirage F1 and the vaunted MiG-25. Standing orders to pilots in Saddam Hussein’s air force was that when an F-14 arrived in the sky they were not to engage but to break off and evade combat. The most successful Iranian F-14 pilot was Major Jalal Zandi, who shot down 9 confirmed and 3 unconfirmed Iraqi combat aircraft. Another Iranian F-14 pilot, Major Rahnavard, flying alone attacked a formation of 12 Iraqi MiGs over the Persian Gulf in two separate engagements, downing four aircraft in one day
اداء الطائرات الايرانية و خاصة الاف 14 ايام الحرب العراقية الايرانية( كان رائعا !
المصدر اعلاه
:ترجمة :
سادت طائرة الاف -14 الاجواء و اصابت اكثر من 100 طائرة لسلاح الجو العراقى مقابل فقدان 5 طائرات اف 14 !! و نسبة الانتصار لاف 14 مقابل الطائرات العراقية هو 20 : 1 !!
اكثر الاصابات لسلاح الجو العراقى من طائرات الميغ 23 و الميراج اف 1 - و الميغ 25!!
The Iranian F-14 force saw much more combat than their US brothers. During the Iran-Iraq war IRIAF F-14 drivers claimed some 100~ confirmed victories over Saddam Hussein’s air force. It is known that only 5 of the Iranian F-14s were lost in air to air combat during the war, giving them a very respectable kill ratio of some 20:1. Their victims included both older MiG-21 and 23 series aircraft but also the more advanced Mirage F1 and the vaunted MiG-25. Standing orders to pilots in Saddam Hussein’s air force was that when an F-14 arrived in the sky they were not to engage but to break off and evade combat. The most successful Iranian F-14 pilot was Major Jalal Zandi, who shot down 9 confirmed and 3 unconfirmed Iraqi combat aircraft. Another Iranian F-14 pilot, Major Rahnavard, flying alone attacked a formation of 12 Iraqi MiGs
Read more at Suite101: Iranian F-14 Tomcat History: Scourge of the Iraqi Air Force and Last Survivor of Their Line | Suite101.com http://suite101.com/article/iranian-f14-tomcat-history-a72990#ixzz1zHG3Freu
اخيرا :
قبلت التحدى : انظر الى الصورة :a020[2]:
اسمها كرار ّ
انواع اخرى
مهاجر -4
صناعة الطائرة بدون طيار من النوع المسلح
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzzMQyfCxtE&feature=player_embedded
اخيرا
:ANSmile04[1]:
تحياتى
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