تركيا تقرر قريبا البدء بمشروع تطوير طائره مقاتله TF-X

[BERKUT_SU]

هناك برنامج كامل لدعم تركيا عسكريا وتقنيا وماليا ...والبعض لا يزال يصدق ان تركيا تواجه مشاكل مع الناتو

 

[BERKUT_SU]

دعم تقني اعرفه, ولكن مالي لم أقرأ بحياتي أي دعم مالي للأتراك

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey–United_States_relations

 

[BERKUT_SU]

يبدو ان البعض فعلا يصدق قصص الواتساب عن اردوجان وعن اقتصاد تركيا ههههههه

 

[محمد عبدالرحمن]

هناك برنامج كامل لدعم تركيا عسكريا وتقنيا وماليا ...والبعض لا يزال يصدق ان تركيا تواجه مشاكل مع الناتو

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey–United_States_relations

يبدو ان البعض فعلا يصدق قصص الواتساب عن اردوجان وعن اقتصاد تركيا ههههههه

قرأت مصدرك كامل أكثر من مرة لم أجد فيه إلا هذه المعلومة "The doctrine enunciated American intentions to guarantee the security of Turkey and Greece, and resulted in significant U.S. military and economic support."

حسب مصدرك يتحدث عن العلاقات العامة بين تركيا وأمريكا, ولم أجد كلام يشير إلى الدعم المالي والاقتصادي إلا الاقتباس السابق!!سؤال هل قرأته انت قبل ان تضعه هنا وتبني عليه استنتاجاتك هذه "هناك برنامج كامل لدعم تركيا عسكريا وتقنيا وماليا ...والبعض لا يزال يصدق ان تركيا تواجه مشاكل مع الناتو "

مصدرك باختصار يتحدث عن "مبدأ ترومان" وهو دعم أميركي لتركيا واليونان ب 400 مليون دولار عام 1947 لمواجهة التمدد الشيوعي, لان السوفييت كانوا يسعون لبناء قواعد عسكرية في مضائق البوسفور في تركيا وفي اليونان كان الشيوعيين قريبين للسيطرة على اليونان.

وايضا مع البحث لماذا لا تذكر أن هذا ليس "بالدعم" بالمعنى الحرفي, لانه كان على الاتراك ارسال جنودهم الى كوريا و الانضمام للحلف الأطلسي, وكل هذا كان عام 1947! من يقرأ كلامك يشعر أن الدعم إلى وقتنا هذا وكانه دعم مجاني!

 

[علي حمدي]

رائع السير بخطى ثابتة ومدروسة لكسر إحتكار صناعة الطائرات بالغرب وتركيا مؤهلة إن شاء الله

لو تتعاون مع السعودية سيكون البرنامج اقصر وافضل للبلدين

 

[محمد عبدالرحمن]

*آخر أخبار المشروع وإلى أين وصل......
Feb 9, 2017

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TURKEY STILL AIMING FOR TFX MAIDEN FLIGHT IN 2023

In his speech to the İstanbul Düşünce Vakfı (Istanbul Thought Foundation), Turkish Aerospace Industries’ (TAI) General Manager, Temil Kotil, stated that the company was still aiming to fly the TFX, Turkey’s next-generation fighter platform, in 2023 (i.e. to commemorate the establishment of the Turkish Republic).

As per Kokpit Aero, Kotil also elaborated on TAI’s recent GBP £100 million-plus deal with BAE Systems, stating that BAE will provide “400 man/years” of engineering consulting and support work to TAI.

The current contract is centered on designing the TFX, it is expected to conclude in four years, after which another four-year contract could be awarded to undertake TFX development.

In addition, the TFX will eventually benefit from a domestically designed and produced turbofan engine, which Kotil claims should be ready in 10 years. However, initial TFX units will be equipped with a foreign turbofan engine, potentially a Rolls-Royce system.

Kotil reiterated that Turkey’s goal of exporting the TFX to other markets.

Notes & Comments:

TAI is evidently ambitious and optimistic about the TFX. To its credit, the program is being driven by local requirements (i.e. to gradually supplant the Turkish Air Force’s F-16s) and a concerted drive to position Turkey into a major defence and aerospace exporter. The Turkish Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM) and TAI have been in touch with prospective third-parties, such as Pakistan, regarding the TFX.

The statements and early engagement indicate that Turkey is seeking support in building scale for the TFX. It is possible that upon the conclusion of the initial design phase, Turkey may invite third-parties to co-invest in TFX development, which will help distribute the research and development overhead.

However, Turkey current industry markets – e.g. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Kazakhstan (among others) – are generally cost-sensitive. Granted, Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan have more spending power, but liberal expenditure may be a thing of the past considering the mounting austerity pressures, at least on Riyadh (and the Arab Gulf market in general).

Some analysts anticipate that the cumulative cost of the TFX program – i.e. design, development and production – could amount to USD $70 billion in work. This (based on 250 aircraft) would put the TFX’s all-inclusive (flyaway plus long-term maintenance) cost at $280 million a unit, which is plausible for a next-generation Western technology-based fighter platform.

Additional TFX orders may help lower the unit price, but the biggest cost savings would likely occur with the Turkish industry scaling the development overhead of subsystems (e.g. radars) across many domestic and export applications, such as legacy fighter upgrades. Aselsan is developing new electronics suites – including an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar and next-generation electronic warfare (EW) kit – for the Turkish Air Force’s F-16s. Scaling the research and development work for transceiver modules (TRM) across radars for F-16s, surface warship radars, land-based air defence radars, and export solutions would help bring a relatively affordable electronics suite for the TFX.

While contingent on the technical ability of co-purchasing partners, partial airframe and subsystem production in partner states may help reduce the costs further (with cheaper currency and labour). For example, TAI had contracted Anka drone-related work to Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) in 2013 and it had spoken to the Pakistani Ministry of Defence Production about TFX-related activities in 2016.

Overall, the TFX would still be a costly fighter, but it may be a relatively manageable one. Granted, this will depend on Turkey’s ability to manage costs, especially during development (which is prone to cost overruns and technical complications). Fortunately, the dearth of directly analogous Western platforms should provide the TFX an addressable market. Turkey’s efforts to cultivate defence industry ties in places such as Saudi Arabia will also help in guiding interest towards the TFX, especially if Ankara leverages investment and offsets in those countries.
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المصدر:http://quwa.org/2017/02/09/turkey-still-aiming-tfx-maiden-flight-2023/

 

[محمد عبدالرحمن]

*آخر أخبار المشروع وإلى أين وصل......
Feb 9, 2017

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TURKEY STILL AIMING FOR TFX MAIDEN FLIGHT IN 2023

In his speech to the İstanbul Düşünce Vakfı (Istanbul Thought Foundation), Turkish Aerospace Industries’ (TAI) General Manager, Temil Kotil, stated that the company was still aiming to fly the TFX, Turkey’s next-generation fighter platform, in 2023 (i.e. to commemorate the establishment of the Turkish Republic).

As per Kokpit Aero, Kotil also elaborated on TAI’s recent GBP £100 million-plus deal with BAE Systems, stating that BAE will provide “400 man/years” of engineering consulting and support work to TAI.

The current contract is centered on designing the TFX, it is expected to conclude in four years, after which another four-year contract could be awarded to undertake TFX development.

In addition, the TFX will eventually benefit from a domestically designed and produced turbofan engine, which Kotil claims should be ready in 10 years. However, initial TFX units will be equipped with a foreign turbofan engine, potentially a Rolls-Royce system.

Kotil reiterated that Turkey’s goal of exporting the TFX to other markets.

Notes & Comments:

TAI is evidently ambitious and optimistic about the TFX. To its credit, the program is being driven by local requirements (i.e. to gradually supplant the Turkish Air Force’s F-16s) and a concerted drive to position Turkey into a major defence and aerospace exporter. The Turkish Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM) and TAI have been in touch with prospective third-parties, such as Pakistan, regarding the TFX.

The statements and early engagement indicate that Turkey is seeking support in building scale for the TFX. It is possible that upon the conclusion of the initial design phase, Turkey may invite third-parties to co-invest in TFX development, which will help distribute the research and development overhead.

However, Turkey current industry markets – e.g. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Kazakhstan (among others) – are generally cost-sensitive. Granted, Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan have more spending power, but liberal expenditure may be a thing of the past considering the mounting austerity pressures, at least on Riyadh (and the Arab Gulf market in general).

Some analysts anticipate that the cumulative cost of the TFX program – i.e. design, development and production – could amount to USD $70 billion in work. This (based on 250 aircraft) would put the TFX’s all-inclusive (flyaway plus long-term maintenance) cost at $280 million a unit, which is plausible for a next-generation Western technology-based fighter platform.

Additional TFX orders may help lower the unit price, but the biggest cost savings would likely occur with the Turkish industry scaling the development overhead of subsystems (e.g. radars) across many domestic and export applications, such as legacy fighter upgrades. Aselsan is developing new electronics suites – including an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar and next-generation electronic warfare (EW) kit – for the Turkish Air Force’s F-16s. Scaling the research and development work for transceiver modules (TRM) across radars for F-16s, surface warship radars, land-based air defence radars, and export solutions would help bring a relatively affordable electronics suite for the TFX.

While contingent on the technical ability of co-purchasing partners, partial airframe and subsystem production in partner states may help reduce the costs further (with cheaper currency and labour). For example, TAI had contracted Anka drone-related work to Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) in 2013 and it had spoken to the Pakistani Ministry of Defence Production about TFX-related activities in 2016.

Overall, the TFX would still be a costly fighter, but it may be a relatively manageable one. Granted, this will depend on Turkey’s ability to manage costs, especially during development (which is prone to cost overruns and technical complications). Fortunately, the dearth of directly analogous Western platforms should provide the TFX an addressable market. Turkey’s efforts to cultivate defence industry ties in places such as Saudi Arabia will also help in guiding interest towards the TFX, especially if Ankara leverages investment and offsets in those countries.
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المصدر:http://quwa.org/2017/02/09/turkey-still-aiming-tfx-maiden-flight-2023/

صراحة لفت انتباهي أن المشروع يتوقع أن يتكلف 70 مليار دولار وسعر المقاتلة 280 مليون دولار وفق المحللين!!!

 

[Muhammed Fatih]

 

[Muhammed Fatih]

 

[Muhammed Fatih]

 

[طير حر]

مشروع تطوير

هل الطائرة تعمل لكي يتم تطويرها

فيه شي غلط في الموضوع

انسحب الى ان يتم حل هذه المعضلة

 

[Muhammed Fatih]

 

[Muhammed Fatih]

 

[Muhammed Fatih]

 

[Muhammed Fatih]

 

[A D Jomini]

صراحة لفت انتباهي أن المشروع يتوقع أن يتكلف 70 مليار دولار وسعر المقاتلة 280 مليون دولار وفق المحللين!!!

أعتقد أن هذا المبلغ يشمل تهيئة بنية تحتية صناعية لصناعة الطائرات المقاتلة بشكل عام، لا تنسى أن تركيا جديدة في هذا المجال

 

[Muhammed Fatih]

 

[Muhammed Fatih]

 

[Muhammed Fatih]

 

[Muhammed Fatih]