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هل دمّر جمال عبدالناصر اقتصاد مصر..وخرّبها بعد أن كانت جميلة؟
- بادئ الموضوع كاهن حرب
- تاريخ البدء
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هل تعويم العمله جيد للاقتصاد بشكل عام ام سيئ؟
هل تعلم ما هي اسباب تعويم العمله؟
هل كان أمام صانع القرار خيارات افضل من تعويم العمله وماهي هذه الخيارات؟
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بالمختصر المفيد ماقام على باطل هو باطل
اول شيئ النظام الاشتراكي نظام فاشل ويعرف علميا انه نظام خيالي ثم امزجه ببعض القومية العربية ومحاولة تصديرها تحصل على خلطة فشل كاملة يعني معادلة مغلقة نهايتها الفشل فلا مجال للدعاية لعبد الناصر
عبد الناصر ونظامه اشبه بنظام ملالي ايران الحالي وقبله اراد كل من صدام وتلميذ عبد الناصر الوفي هواري بومدين تطبيق افكاره بل ربما هم يطبقون برنامجه بحذافيره لكن نهايتهم كنهاية عبد الناصر
عبد الناصر ادخل مصر بحروب فاشلة في اليمن وضد اسرائيل
دخل بمصر بحرب ضد فرنسا واسرائيل بسبب محاولاته السيطرة على الثورة الجزائرية وهناك روايات وشهادات وادلة تثبت ان المخابرات المصرية كانت وراء الكثير من الاهتزازات بالثورة ودعمها لعميلها بومدين الذي هو سبب كل بلاوي الجزائر الى غاية اليوم
ثم ماذا جنت مصر اقتصاديا حقيقة ؟؟؟ الللهم سد ناصر الباقي هو نتيجة الفقاعة الاقتصادية القائمة على تكديس الديون لجعل الشعب يعيش رخاء وهمي
العكسر لا يصلحون للحكم نقطة انتهى
بالمناسبة ماذا جنت مصر اخ
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عزيزي انت كنت مختص ومثقف انت تعلم ان النظام الاشتراكي مجرد كذبة وانت تعلم ان القطاع العام ذل الزمن كان يمكنه ان يعيش لثلاثة عقود بالاكثر ثم تعجز الدولة ان بناء قطاع عام يشمل كل المصريين بالله عليك اذا الصين الشيوعية وليس حتى اشتراكية وصلت لفكرة انه لا يمكن للدولة السيطرة على الاقتصاد لمدة اطول ومنه بدؤوا سنة 76 بتطبيق خطة طيران البط البري الى سنة 90 من اجل فتح المجال امام القطاع الخاص وانر للصين كيف هي الان
هل يمكن لقطاع عام حتى لو امتلك ميزانية امريكا ان يحقق نسبة بطالة تحت عشرة بالمئة ؟؟؟ كم يكون حجم هذه المؤسسة العامة
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جمال عبد الناصر دمر ما بناه
الحرب اوقفت كل شيئ ولم يكن لها داعي الا عنجهيته هو نظامه
بالنسبة للملك ارجو الرجوع لسعر الدولار سنة 1950
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تماما كهتلر. هتلر أحدث نهضة اقتصادية وصناعية فى ألمانيا فى سنوات ماقبل الحرب العالمية الثانية من ١٩٣٣ إلى ١٩٣٩ ثم دمر مابناه ودمر ألمانيا معه.
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بالنسبة لنقطة أن مصر خرجت مدمرة في 1967
فهذا غير صحيح،
رغم الهزيمة تم الحفاظ على معدل نمو مرتفع 8%
من 67 وحتى 71،
وهذه معجزة اقتصادية فعلا
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الأجانب كانوا يتمنون العيش فيها لأنها مجرّد مستعمرة يتم امتصاص خيراتها
وبناء الثراء في بريطانيا على حساب الشعب المصري،
أما بعد أن أخذوا بالجزمه على رؤوسهم
فهم طبعا يرون مصر 'كخه' لأنها لم تعد تعطيهم أموال مجانيه
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ملف يلخص الحالة الإقتصادية حتى النصف الأول من 1952 مقارنة بدول المنطقة
ليس لديك تصريح لمشاهدة الرابط، فضلا قم ب تسجيل الدخول او تسجيل
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الموضوع أخي العزيز كله عن ماذا جنت مصر اقتصاديا بعد ثورة 52،
وجنت الكثير نعيد ذكر بعض منها:
1_مشروع السد تم اختياره من الأمم المتحدة عام2000 كأعظم مشروع في القرن العشرين.
2_ ألف ومئتين مصنع تم بناؤهم.
3_تم تحقيق طفرة اقتصادية في 10 سنوات،
تعادل أربعة أضعاف ماتم تحقيقه في الأربعين سنة التي سبقت ثورة يوليو.
4_الكهرباء دخلت إلى كل مدينة ومحافظة.
وغير ذلك..
يمكنك العودة لقراءة الموضوع وأخذ فكرة
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عندما تتأمل تجربة عبد الناصر ككل تجد أمامك رجلاً شريفًا ذا تطلّعات عظيمة، سياسته الأفريقية الناجحة لم تكن تهدف إلا لتأمين ماء النيل ومنع تسلل إسرائيل إلى المنابع، ونحن ندفع ثمن توقّف هذه السياسة اليوم.
سد عال ، صناعات ثقيلة ، نهضة كاسحة للأزهر جعلت الطلاب المسلمين الأجانب يعتبرون مصر قلب العالم الإسلامي ، مشاريع حرب بيولوجية ونووية ، الشاب يجد عمل وسكن ، هيبة واضحة بين دول العالم ، مصر مركز مهم في قلب الدائرة الأفريقية والعربية والإسلامية ، وحدة وطنية حقيقية بين الهلال والصليب، معدل نمو اقتصادي غير مسبوق.
لست متأكد من أنني أصف نظامًا فاشلاً؟!
يبدو لي أن هذا قريب جدًا من تعريف النجاح.
سد عال ، صناعات ثقيلة ، نهضة كاسحة للأزهر جعلت الطلاب المسلمين الأجانب يعتبرون مصر قلب العالم الإسلامي ، مشاريع حرب بيولوجية ونووية ، الشاب يجد عمل وسكن ، هيبة واضحة بين دول العالم ، مصر مركز مهم في قلب الدائرة الأفريقية والعربية والإسلامية ، وحدة وطنية حقيقية بين الهلال والصليب، معدل نمو اقتصادي غير مسبوق.
لست متأكد من أنني أصف نظامًا فاشلاً؟!
يبدو لي أن هذا قريب جدًا من تعريف النجاح.
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فيه ملف انا ارفقته من ارشيف الأمم المتحدة لإقتصاد الشرق الأوسط يتضح فيه أن 1950 شهدت قفزة عالية للإقتصاد المصري تبعها تراخي 1951 ثم بداية تعديل الكفة 1952
مصر كانت بلدا زراعية ولم تعرف النفط الا سنة 1950-1951
من بيانات انتاج الكهرباء والمحاصيل والإستيراد والتصدير مع كندا والولايات المتحدة يتضح وجود توازن عام بين الصادر والوارد بفروق نسميها بسيطة (حسب رأيي)
جمال عبد الناصر بدأ جيدا جدا خصوصا بأموال القناة وتسليح الجيش لكن القرار السياسي والحرب كسح الإقتصاد المصري
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طبعا أنا لست مع النظام الإشتراكي ولا الرأسمالي
انا مع النظام الإسلامي،
ولكن..
النظام الإشتراكي كان أفضل لمصر بمليون مره بعد 52 من النظام الرأس مالي،
لأن في عهد فاروق كانت مصر رأسمالية،
وكان أغلب المصريين يمشون حفاة بسبب ذلك،
لذلك حينما ننتقد مرحلة معينة او قرارات معينة،
يجب أن ننظر للظروف المحيطة كاملة،
وليس فقط نقارن بين هذا وذاك بأثر رجعي
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على العكس استاذي العزيز،
بعد 67 ورغم الهزيمة،
الا أن الإقتصاد كان شبه معزول عنها بسبب قوة القطاع العام المصري الهائلة،
بقي معدل النمو مرتفع بشكل كبير حتى 71
وتم استكمال مشروع السد وتمديدات شبكة الكهرباء بكفاءة عالية،
بالنسبة لسعر الجنيه مقابل الدولار،
نعم كان الجنيه مرتفع،
ولكن لم يكن حينها الدولار قد أخذ مداه وقوته،
وأيضا مالفائدة من سعر جنيه مرتفع
و 70% من الشعب لايجدون حذاء يلبسونه
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شئ جميل ان اعضاء من اكتر من جنسية يتكلمون عن تجربة عبد الناصر سواء بالنقد والايجاب بدون تعصب او تجمد فكري ....استمروا شباب نريد ان نكون منفتحين علي عقول بعض لنفهم بعض اكثر
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بمساعدة الأشقاء وطبع النقود و الضرائب
اقرا أستاذي
Egypt’s economy in the face of June 1967 losses
Egypt was like a great tiger licking the wounds of defeat but fearlessly preparing for the next battle. It had experienced colossal military and economic losses that required extraordinary efforts to recover. It had to exert great effort to fund military spending whether at current rates or by purchasing weapons and rebuilding and developing military infrastructure that was destroyed or seriously damaged in the 1967 war.
Egypt’s former Prime Minister Aziz Sedki estimated these losses at nearly LE11 billion, or $25 billion, at the time when the Egyptian pound was worth 2.3 US dollars between the wars of June 1967 and October 1973. Major economic losses resulting from the June 1967 war included:
1. Egypt lost 80 per cent of its military equipment and needed to find funds to purchase replacements, which was a huge burden on Egypt’s economy.
2. Egypt lost Sinai with its oil and mineral resources and tourism potential. These were resources that could have been only a temporary loss if Israel had respected international treaties and not depleted this wealth. Instead, Israel looted in a deprived predatory manner Sinai’s wealth, especially the oil. This means Egypt lost forever part of the natural wealth in Sinai after 1967.
3. Egypt lost Suez Canal revenues which had reached some LE95.3 million in 1966, or $219.2 million, which amounts to four per cent of GDP for that year. Along with this drop in revenues, losses resulting from Israel’s bombardment of Suez Canal facilities amounted to nearly LE1 billion, or $2.3 billion.
4. Egypt lost a crucial portion of tourism revenues, about LE37 billion per year, or $84 million.
5. Egypt lost part of its human resources, the most important factor for economic development. In the war, it also lost production assets that were destroyed or temporarily or permanently disabled. Some 17 major industrial facilities were destroyed at a loss of LE169.3 million, $389.4 million, in revenues. Along with all these losses, there was widespread destruction of economic and residential buildings in Suze Canal cities that were heavily attacked and destroyed.
These are the main economic losses for Egypt after the Israeli aggression in 1967, but Egypt’s burdened economy had to launch a major mission for funding and compensating these direct economic losses, and finance replacements for losses in equipment and military infrastructure. At the same time, fund overall military spending while trying to cope with domestic consumption to reduce civilian imports and maintain them at current levels, in order to focus Egypt’s foreign currency on military purchases.
Economic policies between the two wars
Egypt’s leadership realised it was managing a war economy in the true sense, and thus to a large extent adopted necessary policies. These included new taxes and raising existing taxes to increase public revenues necessary to offset the quick rise in public spending needed to prepare for another round of military confrontation with the Zionist entity.
Tax revenues, through indirect and tariff taxes, increased from LE442.5 million in 1969/1970 to LE574.7 million in 1973, which is 63.4 per cent of tax revenues in 1969/1970 and 69.1 per cent in 1973. Direct taxes amounted to LE255 million in 1969/1970, or 36.3 per cent of tax revenues that year. Direct taxes were no more than LE257.5 million in 1971, or 30.9 per cent of all tax revenues for that year. Since indirect taxation of commodities and services are footed by the majority of the citizens, one can say that the majority of citizens shouldered the burden of funding preparations for the October War. The people who were indignant for their homeland and pride were making infinite sacrifices.
More money was printed to fund public spending, known as financing by deficit. The amount of payment methods jumped from LE397.2 million in June 1960 to LE761.5 million in June 1970, and again to LE866.6 million in June 1972, at a 10 per cent annual growth rate. The value of treasury bonds rose from LE164 million in the fiscal year 1959-1960 to nearly LE375 million in 1969-1970, and then to LE459 million in 1972.
This monetary policy of financing by deficit was a major factor contributing to inflation. Inflation was suppressed between the 1967 and 1973 wars because of compulsory pricing policies for basic commodities, but it exploded after the October 1973 war as government pricing was gradually lifted forever.
Egypt’s economic policies between the two wars also gave priority to investments that serve the battle above all other investments. It also suspended the import of luxury goods, especially at the beginning of the 1972, including luxury woolen clothing and fabric, televisions, radios, cigarettes, refrigerators, washing machines and luxury carpets.
At the same time, tariffs on imported luxury goods for personal use rose by 50 per cent and the wholesale of basic development commodities and materials was limited to the public sector. The goal here was to prevent any manipulation of these commodities, ensuring they reach the public at acceptable prices since their availability is a key factor in maintaining political stability.
If the public sector played the main role in funding preparations for the battle, the household segment, which controlled the agriculture sector and many services, also effectively contributed to Egypt’s war preparations, whether by shouldering taxes or active contribution in production and development during that critical time of Egypt’s history.
Nonetheless, it was the public sector and its heavy industry base that played the greatest role in preparing Egypt for the October War after the 1967 defeat.
Economic performance from June to October
Defence spending in Egypt came to no more than 5.5 per cent of GDP annually during 1960-1965. After the 1967 defeat, this multiplied and peaked during weapons purchases to 21.5 per cent of GDP in 1971. It hovered around that figure, and in 1973 was 20 per cent of GDP.
At least one fifth of GDP financed defence spending since the start of the War of Attrition until the 1973 October War. Naturally, deducting this important portion of GDP to fund vital defence spending impacted the economy’s ability to fund new investments needed to achieve high development rates.
Once investment rates dropped, so did the rate of real development of GDP. The unusually broader role of the state and its economic role at times of emergency between the 1967 and 1973 wars also raised government consumption to very high rates. Government consumption rose steadily from LE488 million in 1967 to LE1.077 billion in 1973, which means it grew by 120.7 per cent or an average of 20.1 per cent each year during that period. The average rate of government consumption during 1960-1966 was 18.7 per cent, although that period saw a great wave of government investments in building the public industry sector and establishing some major infrastructure projects, most importantly the High Dam. Despite rapid population growth, the average private consumption rate between the wars reached 7.6 per cent annually, which is much less than its average rate of growth of 10.4 per cent annually during 1960-1966. This demonstrates reduced private spending between the 1967 and 1973 wars through financial mechanisms, by imposing new and revised taxes. These measures were not met with opposition or complaints because overall public understanding of the need to ration private spending to the lowest rates and dedicate all economic potential for another military confrontation with the enemy to recover land and dignity.
The net result of all government and private consumption between 1967 and 1973 shows high rates because of high public spending, primarily on the defence sector.
The employment rate between the two wars is likely to have stayed close to the rate of the 1960s. Unemployment had reached seven per cent in the first half of the 1960s and rose to eight per cent in second half. However, the mobilisation mood, long army draft terms that absorbed large numbers of youth, and the state’s commitment to hiring graduates reined in unemployment rates in the early 1970s before the war.
Egypt’s economic performance overseas continued on the same track despite short-lived temporary changes.
The loss of Suez Canal revenues, a large portion of tourism and some oil production certainly impacted Egypt’s balance overseas between 1967 and 1973. Meanwhile, the rise in imports of goods and services related to defence spending negatively impacted Egypt’s foreign balance.
Egypt and global economic developments between the two wars
On the path to mobilise its economic resources to prepare for war, Egypt looked at major economic developments around the world to decide how best to engage them to maximise benefits for Egypt and reduce drawbacks. The most important developments were the collapse of the gold standard, unstable global exchange rates, growing global inflation and thus increasing import costs. All this, while continuing to link economic relations overseas with political and ideological issues.
Egypt avoided turbulence in foreign exchange markets by enforcing the exchange rate used in Egypt based on the controlled value of the Egyptian pound vis-à-vis the dollar. Trade and payment agreements that Egypt had signed and applied to large portions of its foreign trade also helped reduce Egypt’s need for foreign currency.
As well as shoring up the exchange rate between the wars, trade and payment agreements also saved Egypt’s foreign currency revenues to fund imports from free currency countries or countries that have not signed trade and payment agreements with Egypt. Naturally, the majority — if not all — of these imports were necessary to support Egypt's war preparations.
There was a notable rise in global inflation between the two wars from 4.2 per cent in 1967 to 4.4 per cent in 1968, then to five per cent in 1969, followed by six per cent in 1970, before it rose to 9.4 per cent by 1973. This rise was the prelude for rapid inflation around the world after the 1973 war. This jump in global inflation simply meant a rise in the cost of Egypt’s imports, but since foreign trade was concentrated on socialist states whose exports mostly remained at fixed or very slow moving prices, this helped maintain the cost of imports from those same states.
Between 1967 and 1973, pressure was put on Egypt by Western countries and global financial institutions controlled by these countries, such as restricting Egyptian exports to these countries and blocking Egypt from borrowing from capital markets in major capitalist countries, the IMF and the World Bank.
Egypt’s handling of these conditions and pressures was resilient and inspiring, focusing on self-reliance to fund war preparations, cooperation in trade, loans and funding with friendly countries led by the Soviet Union and Arab brothers.
Soviet loans were due starting one year after projects were completed, so payments were made from production revenues over 12 years with an interest rate of 2.5 per cent. Accordingly, it was not unusual for Egypt to have completed the iron and steel complex between the two wars although it cost more than $165 million. The Soviet soft loan helped construction along, and there were also Soviet loans funding the import of large amounts of weapons and military equipment.
Self-reliance and assistance of true friends
Egypt relied substantially on itself in funding defence spending and preparing for war fueled by popular anger over Israel’s victory in June 1967, and the people’s determination to go to war at any cost until victory against the Zionist enemy. Thus, non-military foreign debts at the end of the October War amounted to $2.7 billion in addition to military debts of $2 billion, mostly to the USSR.
These are very small debts especially when compared to foreign assistance the Zionist government received at that time. During 1967-1973, non-military Israeli foreign debts rose by $4.726 billion to $6.792 billion which indicates the volume of loans Israel received during that time. Added to that were reparation payments from Germany and other non-refundable grants. Official US aid to Israel amounted to $4.312 billion during 1967-1973, including $1.655 billion in non-refundable grants and the rest as soft loans.
Despite the large amount of foreign aid to Israel between the wars, many times the figure sent to Egypt, through self-reliance and fewer loans Egypt was able to offset economic losses resulting from the 1967 war and fund defence spending necessary to prepare its army for zero hour with the Zionist enemy. When that moment came, Egypt’s economy — despite any remarks on its performance — paved the way for war and put leadership of the battle in the hands of highly patriotic and expert military commanders. However, the political leadership squandered many military and citizen acts of valour, whether by deciding to continue advancing despite the bad timing, which resulted in the thaghra (gap on the Egyptian front), and not destroying Zionist forces that infiltrated the gap by all possible means. Also, by putting 99 per cent of the cards of the game in the hands of the US, that unequivocally stood by the Zionists against Egypt in that battle.
Despite circumstances, the economy overall played its role to prepare Egypt to go to war in reasonable shape, and serves as a model of self-reliance primarily, along with assistance from true friends and brothers at momentous times in history.
ليس لديك تصريح لمشاهدة الرابط، فضلا قم ب تسجيل الدخول او تسجيل
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في البداية الموضوع سيسبب صدمة لبعض الإخوة،
لانه يتعارض مع ماتم وضعه في رؤوسهم سابقا،
وهذه طبيعة البشر،
يعادون مايجهلون،
لكن مع قليل من الإنصاف والأمانة والمنطق،
سيعرف كل إنسان كيف يحكم على الوقائع كما هي بغض النظر عن مشاعره
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هذا التشبيه مع وجود فارق كبير أستاذي العزيز،
هتلر دمر كل شئ،
لكن عبدالناصر مات والإقتصاد المصري في أفضل أحواله،
ارجع للموضوع وستجد المعلومات،
ناصر مات وديون مصر 5 مليار دولار،
والسادات مات وديون مصر 30 مليار دولار،
ومع ذلك فالبعض لايرى غير عبدالناصر في السلبيات،
وهذا نتيجة لما تم عمله في فترة 'تصفية الحساب' مع عبدالناصر بعد وفاته،
لكن الحقائق صعب أن نهمشها وندوسها بالأقدام
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