هل تصبح مصر قاعدة للبحرية الروسية؟

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قلق في الولايات المتحدة من تحركات الأسطول البحري الروسي في منطقة الشرق الأوسط، وقيام الغواصات الروسية بدوريات متواصلة في اتجاه البحرين الأبيض والأسود.
هذا ما يعكسه تقرير نشرته صحيفة "نيويورك تايمز" الأمريكية حول تراجع القوات البحرية الأمريكية أمام قدرات القوات الروسية التي المتواجدة في منطقة البحر المتوسط، وتقوم بدوريات متواصلة في المياه الدولية.

ونقلت الصحيفة عن المسؤولين في البحرية الأمريكية الذين عبروا عن قلقهم من تزايد الوجود الروسي في البحر المتوسط، وأن الغواصات الهجومية الروسية تجوب سواحل البحر المتوسط، وهناك زيادة كبيرة في القوات البحرية الروسية في المنطقة، لكسر هيمنة قوات حلف شمال الأطلسي على البحر.

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السفينة الحربية الروسية "مينسك" أثناء عبورها مضيق البوسفور في طريقها للبحر المتوسط
وأضافت أن تعزيز القوات البحرية الروسية لدورها في البحر المتوسط، أجبر وزارة الدفاع الأمريكية "البنتاغون" إلى طلب زيادة ميزانية القوات البحرية لمواجهة الغواصات الروسية في البحر المتوسط، خاصة وأن عملية رصد القوات البحرية الروسية بما لجيها من قدرات على التخفي، تتطلب المزيد من السفن والطائرات والغواصات.

وأشارت إلى أن "البنتاغون" أقترح زيادة في الميزانية المخصصة بـ 8.1 مليار دولار على مدار الخمس سنوات المقبلة لتعزيز قدرات القوات البحرية، لضم 9 غواصات جديدة من طراز "فرجينيا" والتي تحمل 40 صاروخ "كروز" من طراز "توماهوك".

وأشارت الصحيفة إلى أن المسؤولين في القوات البحرية الأمريكية عبروا عن اعتقادهم بأن هناك احتمالات بأن تكون مصر أو قبرص يمكن أن تكون مقراً لقاعدة بحرية روسية في البحر المتوسط بعد تلك الموجودة في "طرطوس" بسوريا، في ظل تصاعد التوتر مع الولايات المتحدة.



http://arabic.sputniknews.com/military/20160421/1018450657.html#ixzz46T2A2ySI
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Russia Bolsters Its Submarine Fleet, and Tensions With U.S. Rise


By ERIC SCHMITTAPRIL 20, 2016

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  • Adm. Mark Ferguson, the United States Navy’s top commander in Europe, said last fall that the intensity of Russian submarine patrols had risen by almost 50 percent over the past year, citing public remarks by the Russian Navy chief, Adm. Viktor Chirkov. Analysts say that tempo has not changed since then.

    The patrols are the most visible sign of a renewed interest in submarine warfare by President Vladimir V. Putin, whose government has spent billions of dollars for new classes of diesel and nuclear-powered attack submarines that are quieter, better armed and operated by more proficient crews than in the past.

    The tensions are part of an expanding rivalry and military buildup, with echoes of the Cold War, between the United States and Russia. Moscow is projecting force not only in the North Atlantic but also in Syria and Ukraine and building up its nuclear arsenal and cyberwarfare capacities in what American military officials say is an attempt to prove its relevance after years of economic decline and retrenchment.

    Independent American military analysts see the increased Russian submarine patrols as a legitimate challenge to the United States and NATO. Even short of tensions, there is the possibility of accidents and miscalculations. But whatever the threat, the Pentagon is also using the stepped-up Russian patrols as another argument for bigger budgets for submarines and anti-submarine warfare.

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    Rostov-on-Don, a diesel-electric attack submarine, being launched in St. Petersburg, Russia, in 2014. CreditAnatoly Maltsev/European Pressphoto Agency
    American naval officials say that in the short term, the growing number of Russian submarines, with their ability to shadow Western vessels and European coastlines, will require more ships, planes and subs to monitor them. In the long term, the Defense Department has proposed $8.1 billion over the next five years for “undersea capabilities,” including nine new Virginia-class attack submarines that can carry up to 40 Tomahawk cruise missiles, more than triple the capacity now.

    “We’re back to the great powers competition,” Adm. John M. Richardson, the chief of naval operations, said in an interview.

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    Last week, unarmed Russian warplanes repeatedly buzzed a Navy destroyer in the Baltic Sea and at one point came within 30 feet of the warship, American officials said. Last year some of Russia’s new diesel submarines launched four cruise missiles at targets in Syria.

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    Mr. Putin’s military modernization program also includes new intercontinental ballistic missiles as well as aircraft, tanks and air defense systems.

    To be sure, there is hardly parity between the Russian and American submarine fleets. Russia has about 45 attack submarines — about two dozen are nuclear-powered and 20 are diesel — which are designed to sink other submarines or ships, collect intelligence and conduct patrols. But Western naval analysts say that only about half of those are able to deploy at any given time. Most stay closer to home and maintain an operational tempo far below a Cold War peak.

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    The Pentagon is also developing sophisticated technology to monitor encrypted communications from Russian submarines and new kinds of remotely controlled or autonomous vessels. Members of the NATO alliance, including Britain, Germany and Norway, are at the same time buying or considering buying new submarines in response to the Kremlin’s projection of force in the Baltic and Arctic.

    But Moscow’s recently revised national security and maritime strategies emphasize the need for Russian maritime forces to project power and to have access to the broader Atlantic Ocean as well as the Arctic.

    Russian submarines and spy ships now operate near the vital undersea cables that carry almost all global Internet communications, raising concerns among some American military and intelligence officials that the Russians could attack those lines in times of tension or conflict. Russia is also building an undersea unmanned drone capable of carrying a small, tactical nuclear weapon to use against harbors or coastal areas, American military and intelligence analysts said.

    And, like the United States, Russia operates larger nuclear-powered submarines that carry long-range nuclear missiles and spend months at a time hiding in the depths of the ocean. Those submarines, although lethal, do not patrol like the attack submarines do, and do not pose the same degree of concern to American Naval officials.

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    Two nuclear-powered cruise-missile submarines, Smolensk, left, and Voronezh, at a base in northern Russia in March. CreditLev Fedoseyev/TASS, via Getty Images
    Analysts say that Moscow’s continued investment in attack submarines is in contrast to the quality of many of Russia’s land and air forces that frayed in the post-Cold War era.

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    “In the Russian naval structure, submarines are the crown jewels for naval combat power,” said Magnus Nordenman, director of the Atlantic Council’s trans-Atlantic security initiative in Washington. “The U.S. and NATO haven’t focused on anti-submarine operations lately, and they’ve let that skill deteriorate.”

    That has allowed for a rapid Russian resurgence, Western and American officials say, partly in response to what they say is Russia’s fear of being hemmed in.

    “I don’t think many people understand the visceral way Russia views NATO and the European Union as an existential threat,” Admiral Ferguson said in an interview.

    In Naples, at the headquarters of the United States Navy’s European operations, including the Sixth Fleet, commanders for the first time in decades are having to closely monitor Russian submarine movements through the maritime choke points separating Greenland, Iceland and the United Kingdom, the G.I.U.K. Gap, which during the Cold War were crucial to the defense of Europe.

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    The United States attack submarine Virginia, lead boat of its class, moved up the Clyde en route to the naval base at Faslane, Scotland, last month. CreditAndrew Testa for The New York Times
    That stretch of ocean, hundreds of miles wide, represented the line that Soviet naval forces would have had to cross to reach the Atlantic and to stop United States forces heading across the sea to reinforce America’s European allies in time of conflict.

    American anti-submarine aircraft were stationed for decades at the Naval Air Station Keflavik in Iceland — in the middle of the gap — but they withdrew in 2006, years after the Cold War. The Navy after that relied on P-3 sub-hunter planes rotating periodically through the base.

    Now, the Navy is poised to spend about $20 million to upgrade hangars and support sites at Keflavik to handle its new, more advanced P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft. That money is part of the Pentagon’s new $3.4 billion European Reassurance Initiative, a quadrupling of funds from last year to deploy heavy weapons, armored vehicles and other equipment to NATO countries in Central and Eastern Europe, to deter Russian aggression.

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    Navy officials express concern that more Russian submarine patrols will push out beyond the Atlantic into the Mediterranean and the Black Sea. Russia has one Mediterranean port now, in Tartus, Syria, but Navy officials here say Moscow wants to establish others, perhaps in Cyprus, Egypt or even Libya.

    “If you have a Russian nuclear attack submarine wandering around the Med, you want to track it,” said Dmitry Gorenburg, a Russian military specialist at the Center for Naval Analyses in Washington.

    This month, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency christened a 132-foot prototype drone sea craft packed with sensors, the Sea Hunter, which is made with the intention of hunting autonomously for submarines and mines for up to three months at a time.

    The allies are also holding half a dozen anti-submarine exercises this year, including a large drill scheduled later this spring called Dynamic Mongoose in the North Sea. The exercise is to include warships and submarines from Britain, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland and the United States.

    “We are not quite back in a Cold War,” said James G. Stavridis, a retired admiral and the former supreme allied commander of NATO, who is now dean of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. “But I sure can see one from where we are standing.”

  • The United States has 53 attack submarines, all nuclear-powered, as well as four other nuclear-powered submarines that carry cruise missiles and Special Operations forces. At any given time, roughly a third of America’s attack submarines are at sea, either on patrols or training, with the others undergoing maintenance. American Navy officials and Western analysts say that American attack submarines, which are made for speed, endurance and stealth to deploy far from American shores, remain superior to their Russian counterparts.
The Pentagon is also developing sophisticated technology to monitor encrypted communications from Russian submarines and new kinds of remotely controlled or autonomous vessels. Members of the NATO alliance, including Britain, Germany and Norway, are at the same time buying or considering buying new submarines in response to the Kremlin’s projection of force in the Baltic and Arctic.

But Moscow’s recently revised national security and maritime strategies emphasize the need for Russian maritime forces to project power and to have access to the broader Atlantic Ocean as well as the Arctic.

Russian submarines and spy ships now operate near the vital undersea cables that carry almost all global Internet communications, raising concerns among some American military and intelligence officials that the Russians could attack those lines in times of tension or conflict. Russia is also building an undersea unmanned drone capable of carrying a small, tactical nuclear weapon to use against harbors or coastal areas, American military and intelligence analysts said.

And, like the United States, Russia operates larger nuclear-powered submarines that carry long-range nuclear missiles and spend months at a time hiding in the depths of the ocean. Those submarines, although lethal, do not patrol like the attack submarines do, and do not pose the same degree of concern to American Naval officials.

Photo
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Two nuclear-powered cruise-missile submarines, Smolensk, left, and Voronezh, at a base in northern Russia in March. CreditLev Fedoseyev/TASS, via Getty Images
Analysts say that Moscow’s continued investment in attack submarines is in contrast to the quality of many of Russia’s land and air forces that frayed in the post-Cold War era.

Advertisement

Continue reading the main story
“In the Russian naval structure, submarines are the crown jewels for naval combat power,” said Magnus Nordenman, director of the Atlantic Council’s trans-Atlantic security initiative in Washington. “The U.S. and NATO haven’t focused on anti-submarine operations lately, and they’ve let that skill deteriorate.”

That has allowed for a rapid Russian resurgence, Western and American officials say, partly in response to what they say is Russia’s fear of being hemmed in.

“I don’t think many people understand the visceral way Russia views NATO and the European Union as an existential threat,” Admiral Ferguson said in an interview.

In Naples, at the headquarters of the United States Navy’s European operations, including the Sixth Fleet, commanders for the first time in decades are having to closely monitor Russian submarine movements through the maritime choke points separating Greenland, Iceland and the United Kingdom, the G.I.U.K. Gap, which during the Cold War were crucial to the defense of Europe.

Photo
21subs-web3-articleLarge.jpg

The United States attack submarine Virginia, lead boat of its class, moved up the Clyde en route to the naval base at Faslane, Scotland, last month. CreditAndrew Testa for The New York Times
That stretch of ocean, hundreds of miles wide, represented the line that Soviet naval forces would have had to cross to reach the Atlantic and to stop United States forces heading across the sea to reinforce America’s European allies in time of conflict.

American anti-submarine aircraft were stationed for decades at the Naval Air Station Keflavik in Iceland — in the middle of the gap — but they withdrew in 2006, years after the Cold War. The Navy after that relied on P-3 sub-hunter planes rotating periodically through the base.

Now, the Navy is poised to spend about $20 million to upgrade hangars and support sites at Keflavik to handle its new, more advanced P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft. That money is part of the Pentagon’s new $3.4 billion European Reassurance Initiative, a quadrupling of funds from last year to deploy heavy weapons, armored vehicles and other equipment to NATO countries in Central and Eastern Europe, to deter Russian aggression.

Advertisement

Continue reading the main story
Navy officials express concern that more Russian submarine patrols will push out beyond the Atlantic into the Mediterranean and the Black Sea. Russia has one Mediterranean port now, in Tartus, Syria, but Navy officials here say Moscow wants to establish others, perhaps in Cyprus, Egypt or even Libya.

“If you have a Russian nuclear attack submarine wandering around the Med, you want to track it,” said Dmitry Gorenburg, a Russian military specialist at the Center for Naval Analyses in Washington.

This month, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency christened a 132-foot prototype drone sea craft packed with sensors, the Sea Hunter, which is made with the intention of hunting autonomously for submarines and mines for up to three months at a time.

The allies are also holding half a dozen anti-submarine exercises this year, including a large drill scheduled later this spring called Dynamic Mongoose in the North Sea. The exercise is to include warships and submarines from Britain, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland and the United States.

“We are not quite back in a Cold War,” said James G. Stavridis, a retired admiral and the former supreme allied commander of NATO, who is now dean of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. “But I sure can see one from where we are standing.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/w...and-tensions-with-us-rise.html?ref=world&_r=0
 
سيكون اغبى قرار تتخذه اى قيادة فى مصر لا اظن ولا اتمنى
 
هذا امر استراتيجي بحت

اعتقد ان حدث فسوف يجن جنون الامريكان والاوربيين
وقد يعملون أي شيء لأفشاله

مهما كلفهم الامر
 
مصر اسست دول عدم الانحياز ورفضت على مدى متعاقب وجود قاعدة روسية فى مجد العلاقات الروسية فى الستينات هتوافق النهاردة
بس لو مصر وافقت باحتمال ضعيف يصل الى 1 من المليار هو فى حد زعلان ؟
 
التعديل الأخير بواسطة المشرف:
مصر اسست دول عدم الانحياز ورفضت على مدى متعاقب وجود قاعدة روسية فى مجد العلاقات الروسية فى الستينات هتوافق النهاردة
بس لو مصر وافقت باحتمال ضعيف يصل الى 1 من المليار هو فى حد زعلان ؟
ما الخليج مليان وتركيا بردو مع ان دا مش هيحصل ء,‘
المصريين نفسهم مش ممكن يقبلوا كفاية قلت ادب الخبراء الروس قبل كده
 
كل حاجه و ليها تمن .. اسلحة امريكية و معونة= استخدام قناة السويس و حرية استخدام المجال الجوي+غرب القاهرة ايام احتلال العراق

اسلحة روسية و عودة السياحة = نفس الشيء
 
شى بعيد كل البعد عن الواقع مصر رفضت مرارا وتكرارا أن تنشى قاعده أمريكية مع كل التسهيلات التي ستقدم لنا

هل سنفعلها مع الروس بكل تأكيد لا مصر مش شبه اي حد احنا غير لا قاعدة ولا غيرة

مصر ماشية بمبدأ نستفيد ونفيد وهذا ما يسري علي العالم كله المصلحة اولا
 
العنوان مستفذ جدا !!!
مصر لا تقبل قواعد أجنبية
لكن اذا كان ذالك سيقهر الامريكان كلاب اليهود فمرحبا بمكيدة الامريكان ، عشان يدافعوا عن الارهاب بدعوى عقوق الإنسان .
 
ولماذا تتحول البلد كلها لقاعدة بحرية بلد بحجم مصر .. عنوان غير موفق على الاطلاق..اذا قاعدة صغيرة ومحدودة مقابل اسلحة تكسر التوازن مع اسرائيل فلا مانع من وجهة نظري الشخصية ..يعطونا باك فا وسوخوي-35 واس-400 واس-500 واسكندر-ام باعداد كبيرة وتصنيع ارماتا ونقل تقنية ونسخ بكامل قدراتها..غير هذا لا اقبل
 
صعب قواعد ممكن تسهيلات فقط زى ايام الاتحاد السوفيتى ثم الامريكان لاحقا
 
كل بلد يسعى لحماية نفسه بشتى الطرق
لسنا دوله صغيره. لنحتاج من احد ان يساعد في حمايتنا او نوافق علي اقامه قاعده اجنبيه خوفا من الاعداء مثل غيرنا لكن ولله الحمد لدينا جيوش جراره مهيبه تحتاج دول عظمي للكثير من القوه لمواجهتنا
 
العنوان مستفذ جدا !!!
مصر لا تقبل قواعد أجنبية
لكن اذا كان ذالك سيقهر الامريكان كلاب اليهود فمرحبا بمكيدة الامريكان ، عشان يدافعوا عن الارهاب بدعوى عقوق الإنسان .
اخي اعتذر عن سؤالي لماذا العنوان مستفذ مجرد تساؤل للمناقشة
كما نعلم جميعل مصر لن تسمح باي شكل من الاشكال بوجود قاعدة عسكرية على ارضيها
اعتذر عن تدخلي في الموضوع لان نصر هي بلدي التاني يعني لي فيها النص زيكم
ّتحّ
 
اعتقد ان هناك موقف ثابت تجاه القواعد الاجنبية في مصر .. رفض تلك القواعد و الحفاظ على علاقات طيبة مع الجميع ..
 
نحن على مشارف الحرب العالمية يااصدقاء الاتية لامحالة
خراب ودمار كبيرين
وعودة الى عصور ما قبل التاريخ
اللى يهمنا احنا العرب اسرائيل لعلها تزال يمكن نستريح والفلسطينين يستريحوا
 
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