مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

الف مبروك للقوات البحرية نتمناها مع صواريخ جوالة ذات مدى محترم

 

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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

اذا كان الاخوة المصريين يرون في سؤالي شيء ما ؟فسأمسح مشاركاتي وأتمتع بمتابعة نقاشكم الممتع فقط ما .دام هناك من لا يرغب بمناقشتي رغم عدم خروجي عن النص ولا القانون بل مجرد استفسار أريد به أن نشارككم فرحتكم بهذا السلاح النوعي حيث ستصبحون أكبر دولة عربية تشغل الغواصات ان شاء االله

 

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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

اذا كان الاخوة المصريين يرون في سؤالي شيء ما ؟فسأمسح مشاركاتي وأتمتع بمتابعة نقاشكم الممتع فقط ما .دام هناك من لا يرغب بمناقشتي رغم عدم خروجي عن النص ولا القانون بل مجرد استفسار أريد به أن نشارككم فرحتكم بهذا السلاح النوعي حيث ستصبحون أكبر دولة عربية تشغل الغواصات ان شاء االله

لا يا اخى لا تاخذ الامور هكذا مفيش اى مشكلة بس انتظر الخبراء ورايهم لو لقيته كعادة الجيش المصرى فة تنقيطنا بالاخبار

 

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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

اذا كان الاخوة المصريين يرون في سؤالي شيء ما ؟فسأمسح مشاركاتي وأتمتع بمتابعة نقاشكم الممتع فقط ما .دام هناك من لا يرغب بمناقشتي رغم عدم خروجي عن النص ولا القانون بل مجرد استفسار أريد به أن نشارككم فرحتكم بهذا السلاح النوعي حيث ستصبحون أكبر دولة عربية تشغل الغواصات ان شاء االله

لا يوجد فى سؤالك اى مشكله على الإطلاق
ومشاركتك فرحتنا تشرفنا
وبالنسبه للغواصه المصريه إن شاء الله لن تقل عن النسخه الخاصه بجنوب إفريقيا
و ربما تزيد عنها فى بعض التجهيزات
إذا كانت من فئة 1500طن وليس 1400طن كالجنوب إفريقيه

إنما إذا كانت 1400طن فستكون نفس النسخه الجنوب إفريقيه
فكلما زاد حجم الغواصه فهذا يدل على إضافة تجهيزات إضافيه لها

 

[الطائر المحارب]

رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

ننتظر تفاصيل الصفقة وامكانيات الغواصات
وياريت يكون الاتفاق على توطين تصنيع اجزاء من الغواصة
تركيا وكوريا تصنعان الغواصة


وان كنت انا شخصيا اتمناها u 214


كل التوفيق لمصرنا الغالية​

 

[jomana]

رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

ننتظر تفاصيل الصفقة وامكانيات الغواصات
وياريت يكون الاتفاق على توطين تصنيع اجزاء من الغواصة
تركيا وكوريا تصنعان الغواصة


وان كنت انا شخصيا اتمناها u 214


كل التوفيق لمصرنا الغالية​

ألمانيا لن تعطى مصر أى حق فى تجميع او تصنيع
للغواصه من اجل غواصتين فقط

والغواصه u 209
وليست u 2014
كما يتمنا البعض
وساوضح لك فى مشاركه اخرى لماذا خرجت بهذا الإستنتاج

 

[jomana]

رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

لماذا الغواصه المتعاقد عليها هى Type 209 class
لأن هذا كلام قائد البحريه و حدد الطراز بالتحديد
وقد وضحت فى مشاركه أخرى أن التحديثات التى مرت بها هذه الغواصه جعلتها اكثر تطورآ

أيضآ لو نظرنا إلى هذه الصفقه
سنجد إن مصر تحاول منذ أكثر من 15 عام التعاقد على غواصتين ديزل حديثه

ومصر تجرى مفاوضات جاده مع ألمانيا منذ عام 2008
و هناك تقرير إسرائيلى منذ 2008 يتحدث عن ذلك

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u-4SF0tpjo


وإليكم هذا التقرير الذى أعد فى عام 2001 عن نية مصر شراء غواصتين بتمويل من المعونه الأمريكيه

Egypt � Future Submarine

Rewritten � May 2001 HOT NEWS: http://www.amiinter.com/wnpr/hotnewsarch/aug01.html#submarine

​

Program Status: Planned -- likely. The US Government is currently evaluating a scheme whereby Northrop Grumman Ingalls Shipbuilding will build two Moray 1400 class submarines designed by Rotterdam Dockyard Company Submarines (RDMS) and Nevesbu BV for the Egyptian Navy (EN).
Operational Requirement: The EN has a requirement for a modern submarine force to conduct anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare (ASW/ASuW) patrols in the Mediterranean and Red Seas. Additionally, the submarines are needed to counter the newer submarines being acquired by Iran (three Kilo class) and Israel (three Dolphin/Type 800 class).
Program Background: Since the early 1990s, the EN has been attempting to acquire Western submarines to replace the four Improved Romeo (Type 033) class that were transferred from China in the early 1980s. As recently as 1989, Egypt had a submarine force of 12 Romeo and Whiskey class submarines but age has reduced that number to the current four. The four Romeo class currently in service were modernized with Western weapons and sensor systems from 1993 through 1996. However, these units were built in the 1960s, and will need replacement within the next several years.
Egypt issued a Request for Proposal (RfP) for new submarines in September 1991, and since that time the program has been bedeviled by financial and diplomatic obstacles. The heart of Egypt�s difficulties stem from the fact that most of Egypt�s military procurements are financed by the US$1.3B it receives in US foreign military assistance (FMA), and the US is unwilling to allow these funds to pay for the purchase of non-American military equipment. Unfortunately for Egypt�s submarine acquisition efforts, US shipyards have not produced diesel-electric submarines since the 1960s. Egypt spent most of the past decade trying to obtain an affordable acquisition package that satisfies US content requirements. Listed below were some of the options that were initially considered by the EN:

1. Type 209 class: Under this proposal, Ingalls Shipbuilding (now Northrop Grumman) would purchase kits for two Type 209 submarines from Howaldtswerft Deutsche Werke (HDW), ship them to the US, and assemble the submarines in Pascagoula, Mississippi. Under this arrangement, approximately 60% of the effort would come through US content and be eligible for FMA funding, the remainder would require Egyptian National Defense Budget funding. In April of 1994, the US State Department granted Ingalls an export license for two Type 209 submarines, indicating that the shipyard was fairly far along in its planning. However, in June of 1997, Ingalls announced that it had withdrawn its bid from consideration. The value of the Ingalls Type 209 proposal was reported to be US$800M.
   
2. Scorpene class: In April 1997, Southwest Marine of San Diego, CA, teamed with Empresa Nacional Bazan (now IZAR) of Spain, visited Egypt to present their proposal to build two Scorpene class submarines fitted with US-made internals provided by Lockheed Martin Systems and EDO. The Southwest Marine offer was extremely attractive in that it involved a US content of between 80-86%; presumably achieved by conducting most of the hull construction in the US. On the other hand, the Southwest Marine/IZAR offer carried significant risk with an untried design and a new team in the submarine construction business. The Southwest Marine/IZAR proposal was reportedly valued at between US$600-700M.
   
3. Kilo class: Loral (now part of Lockheed Martin Naval Electronics & Surveillance Systems) and Rockwell (now Boeing) investigated teaming with Krasnoye Sormovo Shipyard in Nihzhny Novogorod, Russia to present an offer that would produce two Kilo class submarines fitted with US-made internals. The effort met early and strong resistance from the US Congress and State Department, and was never seriously considered.
   
4. Agosta B class: There were several reports that Pakistan offered its Agosta B design to the EN for a total of US$119M for two units.
5. Zwaardvis class: The Royal Netherlands Navy decommissioned its two Zwaardvis class submarines in 1995 after 23 years of service, and in 1996 they transferred the submarines to Rotterdam Dockyard Company (RDM) for re-sale. In 1998, the press reported that Egypt, the Netherlands, and the US were involved in advanced negotiations to put together a deal for US FMA funding to purchase, refit, and modernize the two Zwaardvis class submarines for Egyptian service. Reportedly, the two submarines would have been refit and modernized by Ingalls with combat systems supplied by Lockheed Martin. This proposal probably did not have the level of US content needed to be financially feasible and, the EN was more interested in new submarines.
6. Moray class: Nevesbu BV and Rotterdam Dockyard Company Submarines (RDMS), developed the Moray design in the early 1990s, and have had no success in finding prospective customers. At IMDEX ASIA-99, held in Singapore in May of 1999, RDMS teamed with Lockheed Martin Undersea Systems (with its SUBICS 900 combat system) and Ingalls Shipbuilding to address the Egyptian requirement. At IMDEX, members of the team were optimistic that this was the best solution, however, had major political hurdles to cross for final approval.

Of the six proposals received by the EN, only the Moray and the Zwaardvis classes were seriously considered. The biggest detractor for the Zaardvis class was its relative age. The EN did not want to buy more used submarines to face a similar obsolescence problem a decade later. By late 1999, the EN decided that the Moray design constructed in US would be the best solution. Weapon systems availability, crew training, and program financing appear to have convinced the EN that the Moray is the most logical choice for the new submarine.
Program Acquisition Plan: The program acquisition plan for the Moray submarine is entirely dependent on acquiring necessary funding, RDMS design guarantees, and US Government releasability for technology transfers to the EN. The financing hurdle has apparently already been cleared, as funding will be reportedly be available by October 2002. On 15 September 2000, Egypt signed a letter of intent to procure two Moray 1400 class submarines from Ingalls Shipbuilding. The EN is now free to sign a Memorandum of Agreement (MoA) with RDMS for design and performance guarantees. RDMS has been reluctant in the past to guarantee a design that has never been used, however, considerable pressure will probably be applied by Litton Ingalls Shipbuilding and Lockheed Martin Naval Electronic & Surveillance Systems (NE&SS) to reach some type of guarantee. More than likely, some type of quality assurance issues will be guaranteed for the EN in order to complete this deal.
Currently, the technology releasability issue (for export license) is being examined by the US Government (primarily by the US Navy and the Defense Security and Cooperation Agency {DSCA}) to ensure there is no inadvertent technology transfer to the EN. It also must be noted that the US Navy is reluctant to allow US shipbuilders to produce diesel submarines, and the Ingalls technology compliance plan must be agreed upon by US Navy officials for final approval. However, US Navy reluctance will probably be overcome by diplomatic and industrial pressure, and program approval is anticipated by mid-2002, with a construction contract by the end of the year. The first unit (Batch I) will probably start construction in 2003, with delivery to the EN in 2006, and unit two (Batch I) delivering in 2008.
Two additional units (Batch II) will probably be ordered around 2008, with construction commencing in 2010. Batch II will also consist of two units and be delivered by 2013 and 2014. All four units are expected to replace the four Improved Romeo class on a one-for-one basis.
Estimates are that the first two submarines will cost around US$400M each, and as of 1999, only US$300M from its US FMA allowance was destined for the submarine acquisition. Additional funding for units one and two will be obtained in 2002 by reprioritizing the existing budget. Funding for units three and four is not anticipated until around 2008. The following acquisition plan, for a buy of four units valued at an estimated US$400M each, is projected:




التقرير يتحدث عن نية مصر فى شراء غواصتين
ويعرض الأنواع المتاحه
Type 209 class
Scorpene class
Kilo class
Agosta B class
Moray class
وسوف تمول الصفقه من المعونه الامريكيه

وهذا هو ما يحدث حاليآ
هذه الصفقه مموله من المعونه الأمريكيه
لأننا جميعآ نعلم الوضع الإقتصادى لمصر حاليآ
و إحتياطى النقد الأجنبى والقروض التى تحتاجها مصر بشده
فليس من المعقول أن نتفاوض مع عدة دول وصندوق النقد والبنك الدولى على قروض و ودائع
ثم نذهب لنشترى غواصتين فى صفقه لن تقل عن 700 مليون دولار
وإقتصادنا فى أشد الحاجه لهذا المبلغ

هذا أيضآ يفسر لماذا الغواصه Type 209 class
وليست 212 أو 214
لأنها مموله من المعونه
وإستحاله أن تعطيك امريكا سلاح يتفوق على نظيره الإسرائيلى شكليآ على الأقل لتجنب ضغوط اللوبى اليهودى
فهى ستعطيك 209 مطوره وحديثه جدآ
ولكن عندما يتم الحديث عن ذلك فى أروقة الساسه الأمريكان ستظل 209 ولدى إسرائيل 2012

 

[الزينى-بركات]

رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

ننتظر تفاصيل الصفقة وامكانيات الغواصات
وياريت يكون الاتفاق على توطين تصنيع اجزاء من الغواصة
تركيا وكوريا تصنعان الغواصة


وان كنت انا شخصيا اتمناها u 214


كل التوفيق لمصرنا الغالية​

الغواصتين أبعادهم واحدة تقريبا (أتكلم عن الطراز 1500 )

وطبعا المحتوى التقنى والتجهيزات الداخلية أغلبها حسب الطلب حسب الطلب

لكن اليو 209 قادرة على الوصول لأعماق أكبر من اليو 214 ومداها أكبر

اليو 214 أقرب لنموذج تصديرى يتمتع بإسم جذاب
إعتمد فى تسويقه على تمتعه بنظام aip مماثل ل u-212 لكن الحقيقة أنه الفارق فى القدرات بينهم كبير خصوصا النسخة الألمانية من u-212
​

ألمانيا لن تعطى مصر أى حق فى تجميع او تصنيع
للغواصه من اجل غواصتين فقط

والغواصه u 209
وليست u 2014
كما يتمنا البعض
وساوضح لك فى مشاركه اخرى لماذا خرجت بهذا الإستنتاج

لكنه حدث من قبل مع الأرجنتين

 

[شعلة الشهداء]

رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

شكرا للأخ عزت على رحابة الصدر والأخت جمانة على التوضيح المقنع والوافي ومزيدا من أخبار مصر المفرح احتراماتي لكما.

 

[الزينى-بركات]

رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

لماذا الغواصه المتعاقد عليها هى type 209 class
لأن هذا كلام قائد البحريه و حدد الطراز بالتحديد
وقد وضحت فى مشاركه أخرى أن التحديثات التى مرت بها هذه الغواصه جعلتها اكثر تطورآ

أيضآ لو نظرنا إلى هذه الصفقه
سنجد إن مصر تحاول منذ أكثر من 15 عام التعاقد على غواصتين ديزل حديثه

ومصر تجرى مفاوضات جاده مع ألمانيا منذ عام 2008
و هناك تقرير إسرائيلى منذ 2008 يتحدث عن ذلك

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u-4sf0tpjo


وإليكم هذا التقرير الذى أعد فى عام 2001 عن نية مصر شراء غواصتين بتمويل من المعونه الأمريكيه

egypt � future submarine

rewritten � may 2001 hot news:

​

program status: planned -- likely. The us government is currently evaluating a scheme whereby northrop grumman ingalls shipbuilding will build two moray 1400 class submarines designed by rotterdam dockyard company submarines (rdms) and nevesbu bv for the egyptian navy (en).
operational requirement: the en has a requirement for a modern submarine force to conduct anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare (asw/asuw) patrols in the mediterranean and red seas. Additionally, the submarines are needed to counter the newer submarines being acquired by iran (three kilo class) and israel (three dolphin/type 800 class).
program background: since the early 1990s, the en has been attempting to acquire western submarines to replace the four improved romeo (type 033) class that were transferred from china in the early 1980s. As recently as 1989, egypt had a submarine force of 12 romeo and whiskey class submarines but age has reduced that number to the current four. The four romeo class currently in service were modernized with western weapons and sensor systems from 1993 through 1996. However, these units were built in the 1960s, and will need replacement within the next several years.
egypt issued a request for proposal (rfp) for new submarines in september 1991, and since that time the program has been bedeviled by financial and diplomatic obstacles. The heart of egypt�s difficulties stem from the fact that most of egypt�s military procurements are financed by the us$1.3b it receives in us foreign military assistance (fma), and the us is unwilling to allow these funds to pay for the purchase of non-american military equipment. Unfortunately for egypt�s submarine acquisition efforts, us shipyards have not produced diesel-electric submarines since the 1960s. Egypt spent most of the past decade trying to obtain an affordable acquisition package that satisfies us content requirements. Listed below were some of the options that were initially considered by the en:

1. type 209 class: under this proposal, ingalls shipbuilding (now northrop grumman) would purchase kits for two type 209 submarines from howaldtswerft deutsche werke (hdw), ship them to the us, and assemble the submarines in pascagoula, mississippi. Under this arrangement, approximately 60% of the effort would come through us content and be eligible for fma funding, the remainder would require egyptian national defense budget funding. In april of 1994, the us state department granted ingalls an export license for two type 209 submarines, indicating that the shipyard was fairly far along in its planning. However, in june of 1997, ingalls announced that it had withdrawn its bid from consideration. The value of the ingalls type 209 proposal was reported to be us$800m.
2. scorpene class: in april 1997, southwest marine of san diego, ca, teamed with empresa nacional bazan (now izar) of spain, visited egypt to present their proposal to build two scorpene class submarines fitted with us-made internals provided by lockheed martin systems and edo. The southwest marine offer was extremely attractive in that it involved a us content of between 80-86%; presumably achieved by conducting most of the hull construction in the us. On the other hand, the southwest marine/izar offer carried significant risk with an untried design and a new team in the submarine construction business. The southwest marine/izar proposal was reportedly valued at between us$600-700m.
3. kilo class: loral (now part of lockheed martin naval electronics & surveillance systems) and rockwell (now boeing) investigated teaming with krasnoye sormovo shipyard in nihzhny novogorod, russia to present an offer that would produce two kilo class submarines fitted with us-made internals. The effort met early and strong resistance from the us congress and state department, and was never seriously considered.
4. agosta b class: there were several reports that pakistan offered its agosta b design to the en for a total of us$119m for two units.
5. zwaardvis class: the royal netherlands navy decommissioned its two zwaardvis class submarines in 1995 after 23 years of service, and in 1996 they transferred the submarines to rotterdam dockyard company (rdm) for re-sale. In 1998, the press reported that egypt, the netherlands, and the us were involved in advanced negotiations to put together a deal for us fma funding to purchase, refit, and modernize the two zwaardvis class submarines for egyptian service. Reportedly, the two submarines would have been refit and modernized by ingalls with combat systems supplied by lockheed martin. This proposal probably did not have the level of us content needed to be financially feasible and, the en was more interested in new submarines.
6. moray class: nevesbu bv and rotterdam dockyard company submarines (rdms), developed the moray design in the early 1990s, and have had no success in finding prospective customers. At imdex asia-99, held in singapore in may of 1999, rdms teamed with lockheed martin undersea systems (with its subics 900 combat system) and ingalls shipbuilding to address the egyptian requirement. At imdex, members of the team were optimistic that this was the best solution, however, had major political hurdles to cross for final approval.

of the six proposals received by the en, only the moray and the zwaardvis classes were seriously considered. The biggest detractor for the zaardvis class was its relative age. The en did not want to buy more used submarines to face a similar obsolescence problem a decade later. By late 1999, the en decided that the moray design constructed in us would be the best solution. Weapon systems availability, crew training, and program financing appear to have convinced the en that the moray is the most logical choice for the new submarine.
program acquisition plan: the program acquisition plan for the moray submarine is entirely dependent on acquiring necessary funding, rdms design guarantees, and us government releasability for technology transfers to the en. The financing hurdle has apparently already been cleared, as funding will be reportedly be available by october 2002. On 15 september 2000, egypt signed a letter of intent to procure two moray 1400 class submarines from ingalls shipbuilding. The en is now free to sign a memorandum of agreement (moa) with rdms for design and performance guarantees. Rdms has been reluctant in the past to guarantee a design that has never been used, however, considerable pressure will probably be applied by litton ingalls shipbuilding and lockheed martin naval electronic & surveillance systems (ne&ss) to reach some type of guarantee. More than likely, some type of quality assurance issues will be guaranteed for the en in order to complete this deal.
currently, the technology releasability issue (for export license) is being examined by the us government (primarily by the us navy and the defense security and cooperation agency {dsca}) to ensure there is no inadvertent technology transfer to the en. It also must be noted that the us navy is reluctant to allow us shipbuilders to produce diesel submarines, and the ingalls technology compliance plan must be agreed upon by us navy officials for final approval. However, us navy reluctance will probably be overcome by diplomatic and industrial pressure, and program approval is anticipated by mid-2002, with a construction contract by the end of the year. The first unit (batch i) will probably start construction in 2003, with delivery to the en in 2006, and unit two (batch i) delivering in 2008.
two additional units (batch ii) will probably be ordered around 2008, with construction commencing in 2010. Batch ii will also consist of two units and be delivered by 2013 and 2014. All four units are expected to replace the four improved romeo class on a one-for-one basis.
estimates are that the first two submarines will cost around us$400m each, and as of 1999, only us$300m from its us fma allowance was destined for the submarine acquisition. Additional funding for units one and two will be obtained in 2002 by reprioritizing the existing budget. Funding for units three and four is not anticipated until around 2008. The following acquisition plan, for a buy of four units valued at an estimated us$400m each, is projected:




التقرير يتحدث عن نية مصر فى شراء غواصتين
ويعرض الأنواع المتاحه
type 209 class
scorpene class
kilo class
agosta b class
moray class
وسوف تمول الصفقه من المعونه الامريكيه

وهذا هو ما يحدث حاليآ
هذه الصفقه مموله من المعونه الأمريكيه
لأننا جميعآ نعلم الوضع الإقتصادى لمصر حاليآ
و إحتياطى النقد الأجنبى والقروض التى تحتاجها مصر بشده
فليس من المعقول أن نتفاوض مع عدة دول وصندوق النقد والبنك الدولى على قروض و ودائع
ثم نذهب لنشترى غواصتين فى صفقه لن تقل عن 700 مليون دولار
وإقتصادنا فى أشد الحاجه لهذا المبلغ

هذا أيضآ يفسر لماذا الغواصه type 209 class
وليست 212 أو 214
لأنها مموله من المعونه
وإستحاله أن تعطيك امريكا سلاح يتفوق على نظيره الإسرائيلى شكليآ على الأقل لتجنب ضغوط اللوبى اليهودى
فهى ستعطيك 209 مطوره وحديثه جدآ
ولكن عندما يتم الحديث عن ذلك فى أروقة الساسه الأمريكان ستظل 209 ولدى إسرائيل 2012

كلامك غير سليم

حتى عقد الموراى كانت مصر ستدفع نصف الثمن كاش للحوض الهولندى

وتتولى لوكهيد تجهيز الغواصة بما يعادل ماليا نصف العقد(هذا ماسيتم تمويله من المعونة)

وعندك لبس بين الأنواع

الدولفين الإسرائيلية تصميم مكبر من u-209 مع تعديلات خاصة (لهذا ثمنها كان الأغلى فالتعديلات كلفت كثيرا وإعادة تجهيزها بمعدات امريكية وإسرائيلية كلف كثيرا)

أهم التعديلات كانت إضافة 4 أنابيب رأسية عيار 650 ملم لتستخدمها فى إطلاق البوب آى تربو بمدى 300 كم
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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

TYPE 209: وبموجب هذا الاقتراح، سوف تقوم إينجالس (الآن نورثروب جرومان) بشراء مجموع غواصتين من Howaldtswerft Deutsche Werke (HDW), ثم شحنها إلى الولايات المتحدة، وتجميع الغواصات في ميسيسيبي. وبموجب هذا الترتيب، ما يقرب من 60 في المائة الجهد سوف يأتي من خلال الولايات المتحدة المحتوى وتكون مؤهلة للتمويل سلطة السوق المالية،ما تبقى سيتطلب تمويل "ميزانية الدفاع الوطني المصري". في نيسان/أبريل من عام 1994، منحت "وزارة الخارجية الأميركية" إينجالس رخصة تصدير لغواصتين من نوع 209، تشير إلى أن حوض بناء السفن إلى حد الآن جنبا إلى جنب في التخطيط لها. ومع ذلك، في حزيران/يونيه 1997، أعلن إينجالس أنها انسحبت من المناقصة. وذكر قيمة اقتراح 209 TYPE إينجالس لتكون مليون 800 دولار أمريكي للوحدة الواحدة.



Type 209 class: Under this proposal, Ingalls Shipbuilding (now Northrop Grumman) would purchase kits for two Type 209 submarines from Howaldtswerft Deutsche Werke (HDW), ship them to the US, and assemble the submarines in Pascagoula, Mississippi. Under this arrangement, approximately 60% of the effort would come through US content and be eligible for FMA funding, the remainder would require Egyptian National Defense Budget funding. In April of 1994, the US State Department granted Ingalls an export license for two Type 209 submarines, indicating that the shipyard was fairly far along in its planning. However, in June of 1997, Ingalls announced that it had withdrawn its bid from consideration. The value of the Ingalls Type 209 proposal was reported to be US$800M

http://www.amiinter.com/samples/egypt/EG2201.html

 

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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

الغواصتين أبعادهم واحدة تقريبا (أتكلم عن الطراز 1500 )

وطبعا المحتوى التقنى والتجهيزات الداخلية أغلبها حسب الطلب حسب الطلب

لكن اليو 209 قادرة على الوصول لأعماق أكبر من اليو 214 ومداها أكبر

اليو 214 أقرب لنموذج تصديرى يتمتع بإسم جذاب
إعتمد فى تسويقه على تمتعه بنظام aip مماثل ل u-212 لكن الحقيقة أنه الفارق فى القدرات بينهم كبير خصوصا النسخة الألمانية من u-212
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لكنه حدث من قبل مع الأرجنتين

الأرجنتين غير مصر
الأرجنتين ليست على حدود إسرائيل
الأرجنتين لديها تاريخ جيد فى بناء الغواصات
اما نحن فجيران إسرائيل وليس لنا تاريخ فى بناء الغواصات
وإن أردنا بناء غواصات
فلن نجد أفضل من التعاون مع الصين
ولن نجد عند الصين أفضل من هذه الغواصه

Type 043 submarine

أرجو ان نكون واقعيين فى تحليل الأخبار
ولا نكون عاطفيين

 

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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

الف مبروك للقوات البحرية نتمناها مع صواريخ جوالة ذات مدى محترم

لن تباع أى غواصه غربيه لدوله عربيه تستطيع إطلاق ما هو أفضل من الهاربون
إن أردنا غير ذلك
فأمامنا الصين وروسيا

 

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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

لن تباع أى غواصه غربيه لدوله عربيه تستطيع إطلاق ما هو أفضل من الهاربون
إن أردنا غير ذلك
فأمامنا الصين وروسيا

هناك فرنسا لديها الكروز

 

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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

هناك فرنسا لديها الكروز

فرنسا لديها وعدة دول غربيه أخرى
لكن لن تبيع لدوله عربيه صواريخ كروز تطلق من الغواصات تتخطا ال300 كم

 

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رد: خبر طال انتظاره

معك حق في كل ما قلت ... يلزم مصر مروحيات مضادة للغواصات مزودة

بطوربيدات حديثة ك mu-90 .
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ليس بسر!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
مصر تمتلك ما يقرب من 20 طائره هليكوبتر مضاده للغواصات ​

 

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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

http://www.kaman.com/aerospace/helicopters/products-services/sh-2g-super-seasprite/​

 

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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

The first foreign sale of th SH-2G was announced in March 1995, when Egypt ordered 10 helicopters (all remanufactured from SH-2Fs). Official roll-out of the first SH-2G(E) was on October 21, 1997, although testing had been completed earlier. The first three machines will be used for flight training at Pensacola NAS before in-country delivery in April 1998.

العدد الحقيقى 13​

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/sh-2.htm

 

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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

SH-2G Super Seasprite
فخمة​

 

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رد: مصر تحصل على الغواصه الالمانيه 209

Westland Sea King MK47, G-BDMI / WA824, Egyptian Air Force
تمتلك مصر 6 منها​