مصر تجرى تجارب نووية عسكرية

رد: مصر تجرى تجارب نووية عسكرية

اولا يشرفنى رد حضرتك برغم انى اختلف معك فى طرحك ولكن الرد المحترم يجبر الشخص على احترام صاحبه و اختلاف البط لا يفسد للوز قضية :yahoo[1]:


كل ما حضرتك ذكرتيه كنفى هو موجود بالفعل كواقع و بالمصادر و التقارير تلك كانت مرفوعة لاتخاذ عقوبة كما ذكرت ولكن انها مصر و المخاطر من العقوبة و خسارة مصر اكبر من الفوائد


و انتظروا المزيد من المفاجئات داخل هذا الموضوع فنحن لم نبدا بعد :ANSmile04[1]:

أشكرك على الحوار الراقى
وصدقنى سأكون أسعد الناس لإمتلاك مصر السلاح النووى

وبالفعل كان هناك تجارب نوويه صغيره كما ذكرت وكالة الطاقه الذريه
لكن ليست تجارب بالمعنى المفهوم
هى كانت تجارب صغيره لفصل البلوتينيوم لا أكثر
مع وجود أثار يورانيوم مخصب

وهذا ليس معناه إجراء تجارب نوويه للوصول للكتله الحرجه وإنتاج السلاح النووى

هى تجارب للوصول إلى التكنولوجيا
والجميع يعلم إن إمتلاك البلوتينيوم يسهل عليك الطريق فيما بعد لصنع سلاح نووى

وإليك تقرير معهد لندن للدراسات الإستراتيجيه
وهو معهد ذو مصداقيه كبيره

In this report from Washington, Senior Correspondent André de Nesnera looks at Egypt's nuclear program and its stance on chemical weapons. With Egypt's political future still in limbo, analysts question whether Cairo's policy of not seeking nuclear weapons will remain in place.

Egypt's Nuclear Legacy

Egypt has two nuclear research reactors located at Inshas, near Cairo. They are used for peaceful purposes, such as medical research and nuclear engineering experiments.


But analysts agree that Egypt sought to acquire a nuclear weapons capability back in the 1960s. Former Defense Department official James Russell, who is now with the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California says interest in building a nuclear capability or developing an indigenous peaceful nuclear program ended during the presidency of Gamal Abdel Nasser.


"Nasser realized the deep financial costs that are going to be required and he also realized the political costs that would accrue from an Egypt developing a nuclear program," said Russell. "And so all these projects were canceled after the [Six Day] 1967 war. And then in 1968, Egypt signs the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty [NPT]. And since then the Sadat government ratifies the NPT in February 1981. And in 1982, they have a safeguards agreement, a comprehensive safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency [IAEA]."


Analyst Mark Fitzpatrick, from London's International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), says Egypt does not have the most modern technologies that could be used to produce fissile material for nuclear weapons.


"The issue is, though, that Egypt conducted some experiments in plutonium separation that they did not notify the IAEA in accordance with their safeguards agreement and it later came out and the IAEA did an investigation," noted Fitzpatrick. "And most of that was cleared up, but there are some remaining questions. And most recently, some highly-enriched uranium particles were discovered by the IAEA and I think they are still investigating the source of that. That all has not yet come out in IAEA reporting, so there is some small cloud hanging over Egypt's nuclear program. I am not saying they are going for nuclear weapons, but they did some things that were not fully in accordance with the rules."


Fitzpatrick says the plutonium experiments were conducted during the past couple of decades and came to light about six or seven years ago. And the evidence concerning the highly-enriched uranium particles was disclosed in the media within the last two years.


Egypt, Iraq and WMDs


On another issue, some analysts, including James Russell, say there have been reports of Egyptians in the 1980s helping Iraq with its chemical weapons research.


"There were also rumors of the Egyptians being involved in building a chemical plant that could possibly have made items that were used for chemical munitions," added Russell. "But again, I don't think that there is any assessment out there today that suggests that the Egyptians are engaged in research or really have any interest in developing chemical weapons."


And Russell says Egypt does not have the necessary industrial base in the chemical sector to build chemical weapons.


"The truth of the matter is that almost all countries around the world - the United States and Russia included - everyone has come to the conclusion that these are not just terribly militarily useful weapons, or that it is a technology which really has limited use in the military arena," Russell explained.


Post Mubarak Concens


Some experts have questioned whether a government replacing President Hosni Mubarak might reconsider some of Cairo's policies on weapons of mass destruction.


"In the chemical and nuclear arenas, the costs to the Egyptians of attempting such programs are significant," added Russell. "And it just seems to me that any political leadership in Egypt, whatever its character, is going to have to look at these costs. And they are a strong discouragement to them moving down this path to sort of reconsidering the decisions which have been looked at by previous political leadership. I just do not see it."


Analysts say given Cairo's leadership in the Middle East, it is essential that Egypt remains free of weapons of mass destruction to guarantee stability in that part of the world.





وأنا لا أنكر أن مصر لديها قدرات نوويه
انا أعلم إن مصر لديها منشأت نوويه

وسنبدأ من بعد عام 1985
لان ما قبل ذلك كانت هذه المنشأت ليست ذات أهميه


المفاعل الأرجينتنى

1992, a deal was made for Argentina to deliver one more reactor with a capacity of 22 megawatts




معجل السيكلوترون الروسى
Egypt. The contract signed in 1991 for the delivery to Egypt of a Russian MGD-20 cyclotron accelerator remains in force

خلية إستخلاص بلوتينيوم ومصنع وقود نووى فى الثمانينيات
Egypt also runs a number of other research facilities at Inshas. These include a small French-supplied hot cell complex for plutonium extraction research, the Middle East's first industrial electronic accelerator, and a pilot nuclear fuel factory, completed in 1987, used to process natural uranium mined in Egypt. In addition, Egypt plans to build a larger fuel fabrication plant, reportedly with help from Germany

وأزيد ك من الشعر بيت
مفعل إنشاص الثانى الأرجينتنى الصنع
ينتج سنويآ 6كجم بلوتينيوم
وهو يعمل منذ 14 عام يعنى تم إنتاج حوالى 80كجم

لكن هذا لا يعنى إن مصر دوله نوويه
بل هى دوله ذات قدرات نوويه

هناك 9 دول فقط نوويه فى العالم
الدول الخمس الكبرى
وإسرائيل وباكستان والهند و كوريا الشماليه
وكانت معهم جنوب أفريقيا لكنها فككت أسلحتها النوويه

وهناك ثلاثين دوله فى العالم ذات قدرات نوويه منهم مصر
من هذه الدول الثلاثين دول ذات قدرات نوويه هائله تستطيع أن تكون قوه نوويه كبرى فى شهر واحد فقط مثل ألمانيا واليابان وكندا

وهناك دول متوسطة القدره
مثل البرازيل والأرجنتين وبعض الدول الأوروبيه

وهناك دول تحت المتوسطه مثل مصر والجزائر وإيران وتايوان
 
رد: مصر تجرى تجارب نووية عسكرية

والله اتمنى لو تسود تلك الروح بين جميع اعضاء المنتدى ليعرفوا اننا شعب واحد و لنا هدف و مصلحة واحدة


تقبل تقييمى اخى الفاضل


بارك الله فيك اخي الكريم نحن اخوة الحمد لله و كل البلاد العربية هي بمثابة بلدي و الله انا احب مصر و اكثر ما احب فيها اللهجة المصرية:celebrate14[1]:
اسف على الخروج عن الموضوع
 
رد: مصر تجرى تجارب نووية عسكرية

ياريت يا دكتور محمد تضع كل ما لديك مرة واحدة علشان نقدر نحكم على الموضوع بشكل صحيح لان كل ما تحدثت حضرتك عنه هو منذ فترة فما بالنا بالحال الان نتمنى طبعا ان يكون الموضوع صحيح لكن ضع ما عندك مرة واحدة واترك الحكم للاعضاء ومشكور على الموضوع الجميل وتقيييييييييم.
 
رد: مصر تجرى تجارب نووية عسكرية

أشكرك على الحوار الراقى



شكرا لك


وصدقنى سأكون أسعد الناس لإمتلاك مصر السلاح النووى

وبالفعل كان هناك تجارب نوويه صغيره كما ذكرت وكالة الطاقه الذريه
لكن ليست تجارب بالمعنى المفهوم
هى كانت تجارب صغيره لفصل البلوتينيوم لا أكثر
مع وجود أثار يورانيوم مخصب

ولكنها تجارب ناجحة و الدليل وجود اثار يورانيوم مخصب


وهذا ليس معناه إجراء تجارب نوويه للوصول للكتله الحرجه وإنتاج السلاح النووى

ولكنك حصلتى على التكنولوجيا الازمة ولا تحتاجى مساعدة من احد للحصول على السلاح


هى تجارب للوصول إلى التكنولوجيا
والجميع يعلم إن إمتلاك البلوتينيوم يسهل عليك الطريق فيما بعد لصنع سلاح نووى


نحن تخطينا تلك المرحلة لما هو افضل

وإليك تقرير معهد لندن للدراسات الإستراتيجيه
وهو معهد ذو مصداقيه كبيره

In this report from Washington, Senior Correspondent André de Nesnera looks at Egypt's nuclear program and its stance on chemical weapons. With Egypt's political future still in limbo, analysts question whether Cairo's policy of not seeking nuclear weapons will remain in place.

Egypt's Nuclear Legacy

Egypt has two nuclear research reactors located at Inshas, near Cairo. They are used for peaceful purposes, such as medical research and nuclear engineering experiments.


But analysts agree that Egypt sought to acquire a nuclear weapons capability back in the 1960s. Former Defense Department official James Russell, who is now with the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California says interest in building a nuclear capability or developing an indigenous peaceful nuclear program ended during the presidency of Gamal Abdel Nasser.


"Nasser realized the deep financial costs that are going to be required and he also realized the political costs that would accrue from an Egypt developing a nuclear program," said Russell. "And so all these projects were canceled after the [Six Day] 1967 war. And then in 1968, Egypt signs the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty [NPT]. And since then the Sadat government ratifies the NPT in February 1981. And in 1982, they have a safeguards agreement, a comprehensive safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency [IAEA]."


Analyst Mark Fitzpatrick, from London's International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), says Egypt does not have the most modern technologies that could be used to produce fissile material for nuclear weapons.


"The issue is, though, that Egypt conducted some experiments in plutonium separation that they did not notify the IAEA in accordance with their safeguards agreement and it later came out and the IAEA did an investigation," noted Fitzpatrick. "And most of that was cleared up, but there are some remaining questions. And most recently, some highly-enriched uranium particles were discovered by the IAEA and I think they are still investigating the source of that. That all has not yet come out in IAEA reporting, so there is some small cloud hanging over Egypt's nuclear program. I am not saying they are going for nuclear weapons, but they did some things that were not fully in accordance with the rules."


Fitzpatrick says the plutonium experiments were conducted during the past couple of decades and came to light about six or seven years ago. And the evidence concerning the highly-enriched uranium particles was disclosed in the media within the last two years.


Egypt, Iraq and WMDs


On another issue, some analysts, including James Russell, say there have been reports of Egyptians in the 1980s helping Iraq with its chemical weapons research.


"There were also rumors of the Egyptians being involved in building a chemical plant that could possibly have made items that were used for chemical munitions," added Russell. "But again, I don't think that there is any assessment out there today that suggests that the Egyptians are engaged in research or really have any interest in developing chemical weapons."


And Russell says Egypt does not have the necessary industrial base in the chemical sector to build chemical weapons.


"The truth of the matter is that almost all countries around the world - the United States and Russia included - everyone has come to the conclusion that these are not just terribly militarily useful weapons, or that it is a technology which really has limited use in the military arena," Russell explained.


Post Mubarak Concens


Some experts have questioned whether a government replacing President Hosni Mubarak might reconsider some of Cairo's policies on weapons of mass destruction.


"In the chemical and nuclear arenas, the costs to the Egyptians of attempting such programs are significant," added Russell. "And it just seems to me that any political leadership in Egypt, whatever its character, is going to have to look at these costs. And they are a strong discouragement to them moving down this path to sort of reconsidering the decisions which have been looked at by previous political leadership. I just do not see it."


Analysts say given Cairo's leadership in the Middle East, it is essential that Egypt remains free of weapons of mass destruction to guarantee stability in that part of the world.



تم الاطلاع





وأنا لا أنكر أن مصر لديها قدرات نوويه
انا أعلم إن مصر لديها منشأت نوويه

وسنبدأ من بعد عام 1985
لان ما قبل ذلك كانت هذه المنشأت ليست ذات أهميه


المفاعل الأرجينتنى

1992, a deal was made for Argentina to deliver one more reactor with a capacity of 22 megawatts




معجل السيكلوترون الروسى
Egypt. The contract signed in 1991 for the delivery to Egypt of a Russian MGD-20 cyclotron accelerator remains in force

خلية إستخلاص بلوتينيوم ومصنع وقود نووى فى الثمانينيات
Egypt also runs a number of other research facilities at Inshas. These include a small French-supplied hot cell complex for plutonium extraction research, the Middle East's first industrial electronic accelerator, and a pilot nuclear fuel factory, completed in 1987, used to process natural uranium mined in Egypt. In addition, Egypt plans to build a larger fuel fabrication plant, reportedly with help from Germany

وأزيد ك من الشعر بيت
مفعل إنشاص الثانى الأرجينتنى الصنع
ينتج سنويآ 6كجم بلوتينيوم
وهو يعمل منذ 14 عام يعنى تم إنتاج حوالى 80كجم


اليس هذا له علاقة بسهولة التحضير و تركيب قنبلة البلوتونيوم اكثر من قنبلة اليورانيوم ( تذكرى الولد الصغير و البدين الامريكيتين و تجارب كل منهما ) و فى النهاية هى كمية كافية لانتاج 8 قنابل

لكن هذا لا يعنى إن مصر دوله نوويه
بل هى دوله ذات قدرات نوويه

هناك 9 دول فقط نوويه فى العالم
الدول الخمس الكبرى
وإسرائيل وباكستان والهند و كوريا الشماليه
وكانت معهم جنوب أفريقيا لكنها فككت أسلحتها النوويه

وهناك ثلاثين دوله فى العالم ذات قدرات نوويه منهم مصر
من هذه الدول الثلاثين دول ذات قدرات نوويه هائله تستطيع أن تكون قوه نوويه كبرى فى شهر واحد فقط مثل ألمانيا واليابان وكندا

وهناك دول متوسطة القدره
مثل البرازيل والأرجنتين وبعض الدول الأوروبيه

وهناك دول تحت المتوسطه مثل مصر والجزائر وإيران وتايوان


اعتقد بعد ما سوف اقوم بطرحه من باقى المصادر سيتم رفع ترتيب مصر فى الدول ذات القدرة النووية من وجهة نظر حضرتك


:a020[2]:
 
رد: مصر تجرى تجارب نووية عسكرية

ياريت يا دكتور محمد تضع كل ما لديك مرة واحدة علشان نقدر نحكم على الموضوع بشكل صحيح لان كل ما تحدثت حضرتك عنه هو منذ فترة فما بالنا بالحال الان نتمنى طبعا ان يكون الموضوع صحيح لكن ضع ما عندك مرة واحدة واترك الحكم للاعضاء ومشكور على الموضوع الجميل وتقيييييييييم.

اولا من بقك لباب السما انا لسه فى الماجستير :icon1366[1]:

بالنسبة لطرح جميع المصادر مرة واحدة انا احب اضافة جزء جزء و نتناقش به و اسف على اتلاخير طوال الفترة السابقة لاننى للاسف لم اكن مع جهازى طوال تلك الفترة و اسف على التاخير

بالنسبة لانها قديمة بالفعل و هذا يؤكد ان ماخفى كان اعظم :a020[2]:


وشكرا لحضرتك و نورت الموضوع
 
من ٢٠١٢ ههههه

كح كح


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راجعوا مواضيع ٢٠١٢ وما قبلها المنتدى كان هرج قهاوي تجلط من الضحك 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃
 
أيام التنويم المغناطيسي والعنطزة الجميل :cry: :cry:
لكن ععلى الأقل سيكون لدينا مفاعل سلمي
 
ماسبب فتح موضوع من 2012 هل يوجد عند احد معلومات ليضيف عليه او عند احد تشكيك فى المصادر الى واضعها صاحب الموضوع او عند احد مصادر تسبت عكس كلامه ام فتحه للاستهبال
 
ماسبب فتح موضوع من 2012 هل يوجد عند احد معلومات ليضيف عليه او عند احد تشكيك فى المصادر الى واضعها صاحب الموضوع او عند احد مصادر تسبت عكس كلامه ام فتحه للاستهبال
ترفيه :)

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