القوات الملكية البريطانية تلتهم اجزاء طائراتها التايفون

[فتى الوطن]

التورنيدو يتم استخدامها بفعاليه بحربنا ضد الحوثيين
وكذلك بحرب تحرير الكويت
طائره جوهره

 

[فتى الوطن]

اما التايفون كذلك تشارك بحرب الحوثيين
لو فيها مشاكل وقتها نتفاهم مع الشركه

 

[رٍسِـــلآنٍ]

ربما تكون من الترانش الاول المخصص لتجارب والابحاث في بداية المشروع

 

[فتى الوطن]

ربما تكون من الترانش الاول المخصص لتجارب والابحاث في بداية المشروع

احنا حاليا ماذا نملك أي ترانش

 

[رٍسِـــلآنٍ]

احنا حاليا ماذا نملك أي ترانش

حسب علمي اننا نملك الترانش الثاني

 

[كاهن حرب]

ربما تكون من الترانش الاول المخصص لتجارب والابحاث في بداية المشروع

عادي..
ممكن تكون من الترانش2،
وهذا عيب في قدرات المشغل نفسه وليس في مشروع المقاتلة نفسها

 

[صقر الامارات]

@كاميكازي الامارات

ويقولون لك : الرافال فاشلة ومعاقة

 

[Naserblushi]

انا لله وانا اليه لراجعون ..

قلناهاا مرارا وتكرارا ..الترانش 1 مصيره الخرووج من الخدمة في الفترة القادمة وبشكل نهائي
وذالك ليس بمستغرب

لان مهمته ودوره انتهى ...
فدوره كان محصور في كونه الاصدار الاولي للتايفون والقائم بالمهام ..لحين انتهاء الترانشات 2 و3 بمختلف شرائحهاا
لانه فقير ناريا ..وعملياتيا
وغير مصمم للتعامل مع جميع الذخائر سوى نوعين من صواريخ الجو -جو

فأبقائه في الخدمة ..غير مجدي ماديا ..وعملياتيا ..وتطويره الى ترانش احدث غير عملي كذالك

ولكن ستحل محله الترانش 3 مكتمل القدرات

ومن الطبيعي ان تستغل قطع الطائرات المهمة القادرة على العمل كالمحركات والقطع الاساسية

كما فعل ويفعل سلاح الجو الالماني مع الf-4 phantom

حيث اخرج عدد من طائراته في الخدمه من هذا الطراز لتصبح قطع غيارهاا ..دعم لباقي السرب

وكما فعل سلاح الجو المغربي مع الميراج f1

وكما تفعل اسلحة جو كثيرة هذا ..طبيعيا ويشمل ذالك حتى الاسلحة والمعدات البرية والبحرية ..وتكلم عنه اعضاء خبراء كثر
وعن بما يسمى بال ( التكهين )
والمواضيع بالعشرات عن هذا الشيء


وسبق ان تحدث سلاح الجو البريطاني بهذا الخصوص ..بل وقام بطلب سربين جديدين للتدخل السريع -24 طائرة- يدمج عليها الكابتور اي بأقصى سرعة وقبل بقية الاسراب

بل ويشغل خط الانتاج بشكل مؤكد لما بعد عام 2025


كفى بالبعض تدليسا ..

 

[طير حر]

هذه عمليه في العرف الفني
تسمى كانبلازيشن

شي طبيعي وتحدث في جميع المقاتلات
تحكم هذه العمليه
الوضع الاقتصادي او ميزانية المشتريات
والعمره وساعات الطيران
و
و
و
او
لا اريد الاسهاب في الموضوع لجهل الكثير
بالنظر الى الردود السابقه

احتاج الى مجلدات لشرحها

اتمنا عدم الاندفاع والتأويل والتسرع في كتابة استنتاجات واعتقادات من غير المختصين في هذا المجال
والاكتفاء بالمشاهده

هذه التايفون اخواني الكرام
حفيدة التورنيدو

 

[شريف نجد]

السلاح البريطانى فاشل بكل المقاييس
ويتم شرائة فقط لاسباب سياسية
​

الخبر يتحدث عن استخدام سلاح الجو البريطاني للطائرات كقطع غيار لم يتحدث عن عدم كفائتها

المشكلة ليست تقنية حسب ماورد في الخبر

 

[رٍسِـــلآنٍ]

ويقولون لك : الرافال فاشلة ومعاقة

رافال A المصنوعه في الثمانينات في متحف فرنسي


ليست معاقه بل تم تحنيطها هنا
​

 

[Divisions_]

رافال A المصنوعه في الثمانينات في متحف فرنسي


ليست معاقه بل تم تحنيطها هنا
​

قياسك اكثر من " ذكي " بل هو عبقري عندما تضرب مثلاً بطائرة Prototype توضع في متحف للذكرى و اخراج طائرات من الخدمة لتستخدم كقطع غيار لا و لفظ تحنيط بصراحة اكثر ذكاءً ...

إستمر ....

بغض النظر عن رأيي الذي لا يخالف رأي الكثيرين هنا عن إنه الموضوع Not a Big Deal ...

 

[رٍسِـــلآنٍ]

قياسك اكثر من " ذكي " بل هو عبقري عندما تضرب مثلاً بطائرة Prototype توضع في متحف للذكرى و اخراج طائرات من الخدمة لتستخدم كقطع غيار لا و لفظ تحنيط بصراحة اكثر ذكاءً ...

إستمر

بغض النظر عن رأيي الذي لا يخالف رأي الكثيرين هنا عن إنه الموضوع Not a Big Deal ...

كن اكثر وضوح هل تقصد ان كلامي غبي ؟

هل قرأت مشاركتي عن الترانش الاول لتايفون ؟

 

[ابن جلا]

السلاح البريطانى فاشل بكل المقاييس
ويتم شرائة فقط لاسباب سياسية
​

الترنيدو فاشلة ؟

 

[House]

فضيحة .. والله فضيحة لطيارة تعتبر نفسها سيادة جوية
اللي مش هيقدر يقرا المقال كله على الاقل يقرا اللي بالاحمر

In some of the most intense international air combat exercises ever featuring the Indian Air Force, IAF pilots flying Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighters had a resounding 12-0 scoreline in their favour against Royal Air Force Typhoon jets in Within Visual Range (WVR) dogfighting operations.

In subsequent Large Force Exercises (LFE) which featured combined Eurofighter Typhoon and Su-30 formations, the IAF jets were somewhat less successful but consistently held an edge over the Typhoon.

In an exclusive interview, Group Captain Ashu Srivastav, the Contingent Commander in the exercises, told NDTV that the performance of his pilots was "exceptional." According to Group Captain Srivastav, who happens to be the IAF's most experienced Su-30 pilot, his pilots showed "flexibility and adaptability to a new environment and operating conditions and on this benchmark, I would rate them exceptional."

An Indian Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 MKI taking part in the Indradhanush exercises.

The 10-day exercises which commenced on July 21 was the fourth edition of the Indo-UK Bilateral exercise called 'Indradhanush'. IAF aircraft and personnel were based out of three Royal Air Force bases: four IAF Su-30 fighters operated out of RAF Coningsby, C-17 and C-130J Hercules transports were positioned at Brize Norton and Garud Commandos of the IAF operated alongside British forces at RAF Honington. The IAF also deployed an Ilyushin IL-78 air to air refuelling tanker at Brize Norton.

Inside the cockpit of an Indian Air Force C-17 Globemaster transport aircraft, which was part of the Indian contingent to the Indradhanush exercises.

The IAF fleet departed India on July 15, with the fighters refuelling twice mid-air ahead of their first pit-stop at Taif in Saudi Arabia (near Jeddah). The formation then proceeded to Athens on July 16, refuelling once before their arrival. After another halt for one night, IAF aircraft flew onto the UK again refuelling once mid-air.

For the Royal Air Force, the chance to train against the Russian-designed Su-30, arguably the finest fourth generation fighter aircraft in the world, is rare. India is the largest international operator of the super-maneuverable fighter and was equally keen to pit the skills of its Top Guns against the RAF's new Eurofighter Typhoon, the mainstay of the RAF's fighter fleet.

The first week of the exercises pitted the Su-30, which NATO calls the Flanker, in a series of aerial dogfight scenarios. First, there were 1 v 1 encounters, where a single jet of each type engaged each other in Within Visual Range (WVR) combat, firing simulated missiles to a range of two miles. The exercises progressed to 2 v 2 engagements with two Eurofighters taking on two Su-30s and 2 v 1 exercises where two Sukhois took on a single Typhoon and vice versa. Notably, in the exercise where a lone Su-30 was engaged by two Typhoons, the IAF jet emerged the victor 'shooting' down both 'enemy' jets.

In all dog fighting exercises, IAF Sukhois were able to turn sharply into the extremely agile Typhoons using their thrust-vectored engines to keep the RAF jets locked in their sights. The Su-30's advanced Infrared Search and Track System (IRST), a passive sensor, which cannot be tracked, proved to be a distinct advantage for the IAF's pilots in close-combat maneuvering. Both the IAF and RAF used the full capabilities of their onboard radars, albeit in training mode, which meant that actual radar frequencies used in combat conditions were never exposed for confidentiality reasons. However, the detection ranges of the radars of both aircraft were not curtailed per se. This was air combat as close to the real thing as possible.

The pilots themselves ranged from young Flight Lieutenants to senior Group Captains from either side drawn directly from Typhoon squadrons and the IAF's 2 Squadron, The Winged Arrows, based in Kalaikunda. The idea was for both sides to expose their operational pilots to a modern frontline platform of the same class. Accordingly, the IAF did not deploy any senior pilots serving with its Tactics and Air Combat Development Establishment (TACDE).

By the time the exercises shifted to Large Force Engagements (LFE) in the second week, IAF pilots were comfortable operating in British conditions. The Large Force Engagements saw mixed formation scenarios where the IAF operated its jets alongside RAF Typhoons in air battles against fellow Su-30s flying together with other Typhoons.

An IAF Sukhoi Su-30 MKI (left) flies alongside RAF's Eurofighter Typhoon.

The Large Force Engagements saw 4 v 4 engagements at beyond visual range and graduated to a massive 8 v 8 engagement featuring 16 aircraft in the skies near Coningsby. IAF pilots shared tactical information with RAF pilots in their formations using radio communications since the IAF's data-link system (which shares critical sensor data with friendly aircraft) was not compatible with the Link 16 system in use with NATO aircraft like the Typhoon.

Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements, Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV his pilots performed "fairly well" though "quantifying [the results] is difficult". It was not unexpected for the IAF to "lose" one or two jets (over all the Large Force Engagements put together) given that the movement of each formation was directed by fighter controllers coordinating an overall air battle. Both sides agreed to simulate their Beyond Visual Range (BVR) Missiles at 25 miles for offensive missions and 22 miles for defensive scenarios.

IAF C-130 and Il-78 jets also participated in the Large Force engagements where they were "defended" by the fighter formations they were flying with against 'enemy' attacks.

The IAF also encountered no serviceability issues with any of its participating jets. All Su-30s were available for the daily exercises which took place over two blocks, one in the morning, the other in the afternoon for a total of eight sorties daily.

Praising the support the IAF received from the RAF, Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV, "The hosts were very good. They were ready to extend exceptional support."

The sense of camaraderie extended to C-17 transport pilots of both sides. According to Group Captain Srivastav, "There was good interaction between young pilots. The C-17 Squadron of the RAF wanted some help in Kathmandu [following the Nepal earthquake]. We helped them then, this was more than reciprocated." RAF pilots showcased their assault landing and combat off-loading experiences with IAF pilots observing from the cockpit of the big jet. IAF pilots shared their experiences of operating the C-17 at high altitudes.

Over the last decade, the Indian Air Force has been very keen to develop its Garud Commando Force meant to protect its assets such as air bases and also be deployed behind enemy lines if required. Operating alongside British forces in the UK, the IAF Garud commandos participated in a 96-hour camp in a training area close to Honington. This involved reconnaissance and surveillance missions and a combat free fall para-jump with British forces.

The IAF team which participated in the air combat exercise, with both the fighter planes in the background. The Sukhoi Su-30 is on the left.

Back in India now, the IAF, like the Royal Air Force, is keen to point out that the exercises were a learning and training opportunity, and should not be seen as a battle between the IAF and the RAF, who are close allies and partners. According to Group Captain Srivastav, "It was all about learning from each others experiences and to fine tune our own procedures."

At the end of the day, though, for the IAF, these exercises were about gauging the skill levels of its own pilots and the aircraft they operate. For the IAF, these exercises came as positive news on where they stand against some of the best of the West.

 

[شريف نجد]

فضيحة .. والله فضيحة لطيارة تعتبر نفسها سيادة جوية
اللي مش هيقدر يقرا المقال كله على الاقل يقرا اللي بالاحمر

In some of the most intense international air combat exercises ever featuring the Indian Air Force, IAF pilots flying Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighters had a resounding 12-0 scoreline in their favour against Royal Air Force Typhoon jets in Within Visual Range (WVR) dogfighting operations.

In subsequent Large Force Exercises (LFE) which featured combined Eurofighter Typhoon and Su-30 formations, the IAF jets were somewhat less successful but consistently held an edge over the Typhoon.

In an exclusive interview, Group Captain Ashu Srivastav, the Contingent Commander in the exercises, told NDTV that the performance of his pilots was "exceptional." According to Group Captain Srivastav, who happens to be the IAF's most experienced Su-30 pilot, his pilots showed "flexibility and adaptability to a new environment and operating conditions and on this benchmark, I would rate them exceptional."

An Indian Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 MKI taking part in the Indradhanush exercises.

The 10-day exercises which commenced on July 21 was the fourth edition of the Indo-UK Bilateral exercise called 'Indradhanush'. IAF aircraft and personnel were based out of three Royal Air Force bases: four IAF Su-30 fighters operated out of RAF Coningsby, C-17 and C-130J Hercules transports were positioned at Brize Norton and Garud Commandos of the IAF operated alongside British forces at RAF Honington. The IAF also deployed an Ilyushin IL-78 air to air refuelling tanker at Brize Norton.

Inside the cockpit of an Indian Air Force C-17 Globemaster transport aircraft, which was part of the Indian contingent to the Indradhanush exercises.

The IAF fleet departed India on July 15, with the fighters refuelling twice mid-air ahead of their first pit-stop at Taif in Saudi Arabia (near Jeddah). The formation then proceeded to Athens on July 16, refuelling once before their arrival. After another halt for one night, IAF aircraft flew onto the UK again refuelling once mid-air.

For the Royal Air Force, the chance to train against the Russian-designed Su-30, arguably the finest fourth generation fighter aircraft in the world, is rare. India is the largest international operator of the super-maneuverable fighter and was equally keen to pit the skills of its Top Guns against the RAF's new Eurofighter Typhoon, the mainstay of the RAF's fighter fleet.

The first week of the exercises pitted the Su-30, which NATO calls the Flanker, in a series of aerial dogfight scenarios. First, there were 1 v 1 encounters, where a single jet of each type engaged each other in Within Visual Range (WVR) combat, firing simulated missiles to a range of two miles. The exercises progressed to 2 v 2 engagements with two Eurofighters taking on two Su-30s and 2 v 1 exercises where two Sukhois took on a single Typhoon and vice versa. Notably, in the exercise where a lone Su-30 was engaged by two Typhoons, the IAF jet emerged the victor 'shooting' down both 'enemy' jets.

In all dog fighting exercises, IAF Sukhois were able to turn sharply into the extremely agile Typhoons using their thrust-vectored engines to keep the RAF jets locked in their sights. The Su-30's advanced Infrared Search and Track System (IRST), a passive sensor, which cannot be tracked, proved to be a distinct advantage for the IAF's pilots in close-combat maneuvering. Both the IAF and RAF used the full capabilities of their onboard radars, albeit in training mode, which meant that actual radar frequencies used in combat conditions were never exposed for confidentiality reasons. However, the detection ranges of the radars of both aircraft were not curtailed per se. This was air combat as close to the real thing as possible.

The pilots themselves ranged from young Flight Lieutenants to senior Group Captains from either side drawn directly from Typhoon squadrons and the IAF's 2 Squadron, The Winged Arrows, based in Kalaikunda. The idea was for both sides to expose their operational pilots to a modern frontline platform of the same class. Accordingly, the IAF did not deploy any senior pilots serving with its Tactics and Air Combat Development Establishment (TACDE).

By the time the exercises shifted to Large Force Engagements (LFE) in the second week, IAF pilots were comfortable operating in British conditions. The Large Force Engagements saw mixed formation scenarios where the IAF operated its jets alongside RAF Typhoons in air battles against fellow Su-30s flying together with other Typhoons.

An IAF Sukhoi Su-30 MKI (left) flies alongside RAF's Eurofighter Typhoon.

The Large Force Engagements saw 4 v 4 engagements at beyond visual range and graduated to a massive 8 v 8 engagement featuring 16 aircraft in the skies near Coningsby. IAF pilots shared tactical information with RAF pilots in their formations using radio communications since the IAF's data-link system (which shares critical sensor data with friendly aircraft) was not compatible with the Link 16 system in use with NATO aircraft like the Typhoon.

Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements, Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV his pilots performed "fairly well" though "quantifying [the results] is difficult". It was not unexpected for the IAF to "lose" one or two jets (over all the Large Force Engagements put together) given that the movement of each formation was directed by fighter controllers coordinating an overall air battle. Both sides agreed to simulate their Beyond Visual Range (BVR) Missiles at 25 miles for offensive missions and 22 miles for defensive scenarios.

IAF C-130 and Il-78 jets also participated in the Large Force engagements where they were "defended" by the fighter formations they were flying with against 'enemy' attacks.

The IAF also encountered no serviceability issues with any of its participating jets. All Su-30s were available for the daily exercises which took place over two blocks, one in the morning, the other in the afternoon for a total of eight sorties daily.

Praising the support the IAF received from the RAF, Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV, "The hosts were very good. They were ready to extend exceptional support."

The sense of camaraderie extended to C-17 transport pilots of both sides. According to Group Captain Srivastav, "There was good interaction between young pilots. The C-17 Squadron of the RAF wanted some help in Kathmandu [following the Nepal earthquake]. We helped them then, this was more than reciprocated." RAF pilots showcased their assault landing and combat off-loading experiences with IAF pilots observing from the cockpit of the big jet. IAF pilots shared their experiences of operating the C-17 at high altitudes.

Over the last decade, the Indian Air Force has been very keen to develop its Garud Commando Force meant to protect its assets such as air bases and also be deployed behind enemy lines if required. Operating alongside British forces in the UK, the IAF Garud commandos participated in a 96-hour camp in a training area close to Honington. This involved reconnaissance and surveillance missions and a combat free fall para-jump with British forces.

The IAF team which participated in the air combat exercise, with both the fighter planes in the background. The Sukhoi Su-30 is on the left.

Back in India now, the IAF, like the Royal Air Force, is keen to point out that the exercises were a learning and training opportunity, and should not be seen as a battle between the IAF and the RAF, who are close allies and partners. According to Group Captain Srivastav, "It was all about learning from each others experiences and to fine tune our own procedures."

At the end of the day, though, for the IAF, these exercises were about gauging the skill levels of its own pilots and the aircraft they operate. For the IAF, these exercises came as positive news on where they stand against some of the best of the West.

الخبر قديم واذكر ان بريطانيا احتجت عن عدم صحة مانشر والهند اعتذرت يعني كذبت الخبر تقريبا

بحاول ابحث عن اعتذار الهند او احتجاج بريطانيا واجيبلك كم رابط


هذا تصريح للمتحدث باسم سلاح الجوي الملكي للرد على إدعائات الهند

RAF spokesman offering a very British polite rebuttal to the claims saying: "Our analysis does not match what has been reported, RAF pilots and the Typhoon performed well throughout the exercise, with and against the Indian Air Force.

 

[House]

الخبر قديم واذكر ان بريطانيا احتجت عن عدم صحة مانشر والهند اعتذرت يعني كذبت الخبر تقريبا

بحاول ابحث عن اعتذار الهند او احتجاج بريطانيا واجيبلك كم رابط


هذا تصريح للمتحدث باسم سلاح الجوي الملكي للرد على إدعائات الهند

يعني كل التفاصيل الدقيقية اللي ذكرها الخبر الهندي عن تفاصيل يوم بيوم في المناورات وقواعد الاشتباك كله بالتفصيل الممل .. كل ده غلط
لكن الجملة القصيرة اللي ملهاش لا طعم ولا لون ومجرد حفظ ماء الوجه هي دي الدليل

طيب ايه رايك في المناورة التفصيلية دي كمان ضد الرافال (يا ترى هتجبلي برده تصريح دبلوماسي بريطاني لنفيها)


The Armée de l' Air has been able to experience this superiority in dogfight in September 2009, during an exercise organized by the French and British headquarters, during a deployment on the Solenzara airbase in Corsica .
Few days , the EC-1/7 stands next with the Royal Air Force transformation squadron on typhoons. The English have thought of everything, and introduce to the French pilots the simulated engagement patterns they wish to practice facing the Rafale. The French pilots push back a smile: the conditions of the exercice are, on paper, custom-made for the Typhoons , they plan within visual range fights , 1 vs 1, under 20,000 ft and at 350 knots. Whatever. The 'Provence' squadron takes up the gauntlet ... The 2 planes take off, then meet up at 18 000 ft to start the exercise. The aircraft are flying on the same trajectory with about 2 km of lateral separation. "Turn Away" with this announcement, the pilots turn 45 ° outward, to move away from each other. A few seconds later, the "turn in" and the planes turn toward each other to meet face-to-face in the sky. Once both aircraft is within visual range , its the ultimate ad: "Fight's on!". The first skirmish is indisputable. It need less than 40 seconds and only 3 crossing for the Rafale pilot to have its gun in firing position. However, the pilots flying the two planes are far from beginners. While the English is considered a Typhoon specialist in air-to-air, the "Provence" pilot has also a solid experience in within visual range combat.

Nine wins, one defeat

This initial result is not a fluke: the two next passes end also to the advantage of the Rafale. In total, 4 different engagements will take place in Corsica, for a total of 9 wins against 1 defeat for the french fighter. A nice demonstration of force that inspires the pilots the following moral: without mastery, power is nothing ... It is however an area where the Typhoon is victorious: the one of exports. While the Rafale is still looking for a first client, the Typhoon has already been sold to Saudi Arabia and Austria, and remains opposed to the Rafale in Switzerland and India.

 

[F15as]

حسب علمي اننا نملك الترانش الثاني

تمتلك حاليا 55 طائره تايفون
48 ترانش 2 والباقي ترانش 3
وهناك طائرتين تحت الاختبار سوف تسلم قريبا

 

[Naserblushi]

الخبر قديم واذكر ان بريطانيا احتجت عن عدم صحة مانشر والهند اعتذرت يعني كذبت الخبر تقريبا

بحاول ابحث عن اعتذار الهند او احتجاج بريطانيا واجيبلك كم رابط


هذا تصريح للمتحدث باسم سلاح الجوي الملكي للرد على إدعائات الهند

NEW DELHI: The Air Force has backed down on claims over an absolute 'win' during a recent Indo-UK exercise with an official statement arguing that there are no 'wins and losses' during such war games. A detailed statement has come from the Air Force on exercise 'Indradhanush' that was held in the UK in July, days after reports surfaced quoting IAF officials that the Indian side had a whitewash victory.

The statement comes a day after the UK officially raised the matter with a senior diplomat bringing it to the notice of his counterpart in Delhi, as was first reported by ET. A nuanced release on the exercise says 'there are no classic wins and losses as no weapons are fired as per their actual capability'.

The Royal Air Force (RAF) has been peeved by Indian reports that IAF Su 30 MKIs had a 12-0 victory over their Typhoons during the exercise. The reports partly quoted the delegation leader of the IAF for the exercise but the victory claims were attributed to unnamed officials.

Official of the RAF have commented strongly on the reports, saying that they were not based on facts and the actual result of the exercise. However, after the official protest by the UK in New Delhi, the IAF statement seeks to correct the image around the exercise, toning down the rhetoric.

"Such exercises are conducted under controlled conditions with mutually agreed weapons performance parameters, with the basic aim of learning from each other's best practices. Additional advantages that accrue are greater understanding of each other's general operational philosophy and exposure to a different operating environment," the release says.

 

[House]

طيب بلاش
التقييم السويسري العلمي اللي قارن بين الرافال والتايفون
واللي اقر بتفوق واضح للرافال (برادارها البيسا القديم) على التايفون في مهام الجو جو
والحاجة كمان اللي محدش ذكرها قبل كده ان في الجزء الثاني في التقييم اللي اعتمد على التطويرات المستقبلية اللي هتتم على الطائرات حتى عام 2015 لتصبح الرافال f3+ وتصبح التايفون النسخة ترانش 3 بتطويرات p1e (تلك النسخ كانت مستقبلية في ذلك الوقت) في مهام الجو جو (وطبعا في باقي المهام ايضا) ايضا بتفوق واضح للرافال

لكن طبعا يجب ان نتجاهل كل ده ونصدق التصريح الدبلوماسي البريطاني والبروباجندا البريطانية