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PRESIDENT GP "ANTONOV": UKRAINE IS AMONG THE SEVEN COUNTRIES THAT HAVE FULL CYCLE - FROM SKETCH TO SERIES PRODUCTION AIRCRAFT
19 July 2016 17:29 | INTERVIEW
channel 5
President GP "Antonov" Alexander Kotsyuba in the air "on Channel 5," said the deprivation of Ukrainian aircraft depends on Russia, the first achievements of reorientation to the West and the need for joint ventures for the development of the industry
"ANTONOV" quite some conducting intensive work on import substitution. We moved away from dependence on COMPONENT THAT EARLIER delivered from Russia
- The fact that Ukraine from 11 to 17 took part in the world famous Farnborough 2016 show, which introduced one of their extreme planes - is the An-178 and An-132 program. Actually we'll talk about it. Mr. Alexander, given that in Farnborough agree more with partners than sell airplanes - because, as experts say, it is better to sell the aircraft at Le Bourget in Paris and Farnborough here to better negotiate with partners. Tell us who met that agreement is held at Farnborough 2016. And how successful was for Ukraine this exhibition?
- First, indeed, this exhibition is a good opportunity for aircraft manufacturers to present their products. And, of course, SE "Antonov" involved in such an air show. Of course, the signing of contracts for the supply of aircraft during the air show, preceded by signing of this very great work contracts - this is the home stretch when the aircraft manufacturers signed for the supply of aircraft. SE "Antonov" presented at the air show program An-132 first. Secondly, this family of aircraft An-148/158. Thirdly, this program transport aircraft An-124 "Ruslan". And, of course, was the most vivid representation of the An-178 program, our plane took part in flight, and I think that adequately presented our pilots the aircraft.
SEE ethereal version of the interview at this link ⟩⟩⟩
- I know that pilots flying in the sky, and partners agreed on the earth. There were certain agreements and contracts were great. That expand more, I know that Canadians have an agreement with Pratt & Whitney - Canadian company that manufactures avionics.
- Yes, we know that GP "Antonov" for a long time carries out intensive work on import substitution. So we moved away from dependence on components that were delivered earlier from the Russian Federation. And this exhibition showed that the interest of foreign partners and component suppliers for our aircraft is quite high. We signed firstly, a contract with Dowty Propellers - it screws on supply engines for the An-132, we signed a memorandum on supply PW-150 engine production at Pratt & Whitney aircraft An-132. We also signed a large contract with Esterline CMC Electronics to supply 60 sets of avionics on the aircraft AN-148, AN-178 and modernization of AN-124.
- I know that the president of Dowty Propellers and President of Esterline CMC Electronics highly appreciated the cooperation with "Antonov". I just have a question when I heard words like that "we are very pleased, we are very impressed with this collaboration." I thought they speak as partners or is it objectively evaluate the aircraft and place of Ukraine in aircraft market?
- Yes, actually support very high. At the contract signing was attended by Minister of Foreign Trade of Canada. I believe that good foreign partners appreciate and understand the global aircraft market. So I think that objectively they regard us as prospective aircraft manufacturers. They are well aware of our capabilities, they know that we have a very strong design office, they know that the aircraft "Antonov" have a great advantage in the segment of transport aircraft. Therefore, they usually is not just to sell their equipment as they really consider, like us, this collaboration as a strategic, first.
- Actually, probably would not see if the prospect is not sold to its components.
- Certainly.
COMPONENTS European and Canadian partners - highest quality meets modern requirements, THEY NO CAN NOT BE COMPARED WITH THE RUSSIAN Hardware
- The Ukrainian An-178 talk. Currently, this plane almost 60% of the components in different ways: in the cockpit 50%, generally 60% - in Russia, is continuing import substitution. For what is the purpose of continuing import? That is why you have decided to move away from Russian components?
- First, strategically makes no sense to depend on supplies from one country. Secondly, we understand for themselves that the aircraft has gone far ahead. And components that supply our European partners, the Canadian partners - highest quality meet modern requirements, and they are in no comparison can not be with Russian components.
- Well, actually also said that the reliability of Russian components often raises questions. And very often Russia wants to elaborate upon it all as far as I know. But another question, again, it is often said that the western parts - is expensive.That is ultimately displayed on the final cost of the aircraft.
- This is a misconception. First, they initially did not differ in price. Secondly, as you correctly said, in service with them less of a problem than with n components, so the output price will be lower than the Russian counterparts.
- I know that many in the cockpit will be Canadian, a Canadian avionics. What else will change and which specific manufacturers in this plane An-178, which has actually fly?
- Home on the plane - this call so avionics. And it will replace all Canadian Esterline Russian equipment. What good cooperation with the Canadian company - is the ability to use attraction is to integrate systems for avionitsi Ukrainian producers. That is basic, the lion's share comes a Canadian company, but integrated system is using the capacity of Ukrainian producers.
- I know that in addition to all of the Canadian company will be involved in the import Ukrainian producers, and as a separate producers from scratch will do the details. Which Ukrainian factories will be involved and how a lot of work?
- Enterprises aircraft Ukraine can produce any parts for aircraft. And we build our tactics in this way in order to attract maximum Ukrainian producers in cooperation with foreign partners in order to work and give businesses, and it certainly will give jobs to make money to stay in the country this way.
- Mr. Alexander, the aircraft is only certified not even fly, tested the various systems in it, but I know that the portfolio is large enough already on the plane. I mean the An-178. Azerbaijan stated that it is ready in its territory to produce these aircraft. That this contract, which is now, prior to 10 aircraft. The 10 aircraft will be how and where to produce? That all 10 in Azerbaijan? Is it half in Ukraine, half in Azerbaijan, as agreed already?
- Ten first aircraft will be produced in Ukraine. It is now for the first two aircraft under contract, we were advancing. That started the production of these two aircraft. In further arrangements, including the Presidents of Azerbaijan and Ukraine, said that Azerbaijan will create in their territory capacities that will enable them to final assembly of the aircraft on their territory.
UKRAINE So far, fortunately, is a Group of Seven countries that have full cycle from conceptual design to mass production of aircraft
- This is not the first country that claims to be deployed on its territory for the collection capacity Ukrainian aircraft.Before was Saudi Arabia, which is currently being prepared for production, rather to bookmarks plant for the production of AN-132. How is this project? I know that at the end of the year is up in the air An-132. How is the schedule? There is no lag?
- No no lag. We go according to schedule, ie before the end of the year An-132D, demonstrator, a rise in the sky. To demonstrate its capabilities with our Saudi partners. Then, of course, is the contract and we will create a co-production with Saudi Arabia have in their country.
- Here's more detail about the An-132 will be discussed. Together with Saudi Arabia Ukraine it does. A lot, say, on reservations to jointly produce the aircraft as a licensed, and many fear that as a result the aircraft may be in the intellectual property somewhere in the Middle East. How can this be?
- Firstly, I would not say so clearly that something will go entirely to the partners. Of course, under a partnership basis is that both the benefits and risks will be divided in half. Currently, we are building a demonstrator aircraft. In the future we plan to build a co-production in Saudi Arabia. This is an interesting project for us as for manufacturers and developers, and for Saudi Arabia, which intends, first, to have this type of aircraft, and secondly, to establish its own production of the aircraft.
- Well, if we talk about joint projects: Azerbaijan, said Saudi Arabia. Obviously including state-owned enterprise "Antonov" go for it because we need money. The funds for the creation of airplanes, the funds for the development of the aircraft. And the state does not support this aircraft. How many years have you do not have public funding from the state budget?
- Last, say, ten years was not just financial support. Really aircraft - a branch of the public interest. Ukraine so far, fortunately, part of the seven countries that have full cycle from conceptual design to serial production aircraft. If we do not have public support, then surely it all remain in the past. We understand the situation in the country, we understand that the country is using its limited financial resources, and we are not asking for direct financing. We ask the government to have supported the legislation, that it created the conditions for preferential tax treatment. That it gave us the opportunity to create joint ventures. We see that the current state leadership understands this and supports. That the President of Ukraine and visits to other countries, where one of the topics is sure to promote aircraft and aircraft on the world market.
Aircraft ENTERPRISE now able to establish joint ventures with foreign partners. In the law clearly stated impossibility of such companies from countries that officially recognized the aggressor
- The same Azerbaijan?
- The same Azerbaijan. Last week, as you know, has taken a number of bills on aircraft Ukraine. So we thank the MPs who supported Bill 241 voice 4809 on the establishment of joint ventures. That is Ukraine now has the opportunity and aircraft building enterprises have the ability to create joint ventures with foreign partners. I note here that the law clearly stated: the impossibility exception are only the creation of joint ventures with countries that officially recognized the aggressors, or for which there are certain limitations to the world - the embargo. For example, AN-132 with Saudi partners - we can now create a joint venture and certainly for our partners this is a guarantee that their investments will be distributed already guarantees. Similarly with Azerbaijan. The second bill to the preferential taxation, so we ask that the government has given us to 2025 do not pay land tax, do not pay income tax, and remove the value added tax on import of accessories that we deliver to Ukraine.
- That these funds will be used for aircraft production, the development of new aircraft?
- These funds will be used as working capital, for production aircraft.
- The amounts in question, if you take a whole?
- Speaking of the draft law on joint ventures, we have only An-132 project plans to raise about 3.4 billion hryvnia, only one project. On taxation, we can now save and redirect the production of aircraft about 2 billion. By the way, this bill just passed in the first reading. The third relates to the bill ... Today, what happens? Airlines Ukraine have in their parks about 19 aircraft that are temporarily imported into Ukraine through operational leasing - is a foreign aircraft. We plan to do so, so that these benefits were withdrawn because we have own production of such analogs. I ask Parliament to support us, to support domestic producers.
- This refers to passenger planes ...
- ... AN-148, AN-158.
- And another painful issue or problem the company - this footage. Staffing, I know that as a young staff going to the company, because one time was the problem that the frames were older, had a lot of retirees. What you with the level of salaries and are you able to keep young professionals, given that just opened across the street of "Boeing", which simply outbids Ukrainian engineers.
- Yes, really is the problem, the problem is not the first year. Despite the fact that last year we have raised the average salary somewhere around 20%.
- What is the level you specify?
- The average salary of about 9 thousand. Nevertheless, there is still a small outflow of personnel. Here I must pay tribute to our employees who truly patriotic and they understand that "Antonov" - a brand that should be supported, and patriotic they want to work. And the state, and the company's management in my face have to do everything so that people get decent wages.
19 July 2016 17:29 | INTERVIEW
channel 5
President GP "Antonov" Alexander Kotsyuba in the air "on Channel 5," said the deprivation of Ukrainian aircraft depends on Russia, the first achievements of reorientation to the West and the need for joint ventures for the development of the industry
"ANTONOV" quite some conducting intensive work on import substitution. We moved away from dependence on COMPONENT THAT EARLIER delivered from Russia
- The fact that Ukraine from 11 to 17 took part in the world famous Farnborough 2016 show, which introduced one of their extreme planes - is the An-178 and An-132 program. Actually we'll talk about it. Mr. Alexander, given that in Farnborough agree more with partners than sell airplanes - because, as experts say, it is better to sell the aircraft at Le Bourget in Paris and Farnborough here to better negotiate with partners. Tell us who met that agreement is held at Farnborough 2016. And how successful was for Ukraine this exhibition?
- First, indeed, this exhibition is a good opportunity for aircraft manufacturers to present their products. And, of course, SE "Antonov" involved in such an air show. Of course, the signing of contracts for the supply of aircraft during the air show, preceded by signing of this very great work contracts - this is the home stretch when the aircraft manufacturers signed for the supply of aircraft. SE "Antonov" presented at the air show program An-132 first. Secondly, this family of aircraft An-148/158. Thirdly, this program transport aircraft An-124 "Ruslan". And, of course, was the most vivid representation of the An-178 program, our plane took part in flight, and I think that adequately presented our pilots the aircraft.
SEE ethereal version of the interview at this link ⟩⟩⟩
- I know that pilots flying in the sky, and partners agreed on the earth. There were certain agreements and contracts were great. That expand more, I know that Canadians have an agreement with Pratt & Whitney - Canadian company that manufactures avionics.
- Yes, we know that GP "Antonov" for a long time carries out intensive work on import substitution. So we moved away from dependence on components that were delivered earlier from the Russian Federation. And this exhibition showed that the interest of foreign partners and component suppliers for our aircraft is quite high. We signed firstly, a contract with Dowty Propellers - it screws on supply engines for the An-132, we signed a memorandum on supply PW-150 engine production at Pratt & Whitney aircraft An-132. We also signed a large contract with Esterline CMC Electronics to supply 60 sets of avionics on the aircraft AN-148, AN-178 and modernization of AN-124.
- I know that the president of Dowty Propellers and President of Esterline CMC Electronics highly appreciated the cooperation with "Antonov". I just have a question when I heard words like that "we are very pleased, we are very impressed with this collaboration." I thought they speak as partners or is it objectively evaluate the aircraft and place of Ukraine in aircraft market?
- Yes, actually support very high. At the contract signing was attended by Minister of Foreign Trade of Canada. I believe that good foreign partners appreciate and understand the global aircraft market. So I think that objectively they regard us as prospective aircraft manufacturers. They are well aware of our capabilities, they know that we have a very strong design office, they know that the aircraft "Antonov" have a great advantage in the segment of transport aircraft. Therefore, they usually is not just to sell their equipment as they really consider, like us, this collaboration as a strategic, first.
- Actually, probably would not see if the prospect is not sold to its components.
- Certainly.
COMPONENTS European and Canadian partners - highest quality meets modern requirements, THEY NO CAN NOT BE COMPARED WITH THE RUSSIAN Hardware
- The Ukrainian An-178 talk. Currently, this plane almost 60% of the components in different ways: in the cockpit 50%, generally 60% - in Russia, is continuing import substitution. For what is the purpose of continuing import? That is why you have decided to move away from Russian components?
- First, strategically makes no sense to depend on supplies from one country. Secondly, we understand for themselves that the aircraft has gone far ahead. And components that supply our European partners, the Canadian partners - highest quality meet modern requirements, and they are in no comparison can not be with Russian components.
- Well, actually also said that the reliability of Russian components often raises questions. And very often Russia wants to elaborate upon it all as far as I know. But another question, again, it is often said that the western parts - is expensive.That is ultimately displayed on the final cost of the aircraft.
- This is a misconception. First, they initially did not differ in price. Secondly, as you correctly said, in service with them less of a problem than with n components, so the output price will be lower than the Russian counterparts.
- I know that many in the cockpit will be Canadian, a Canadian avionics. What else will change and which specific manufacturers in this plane An-178, which has actually fly?
- Home on the plane - this call so avionics. And it will replace all Canadian Esterline Russian equipment. What good cooperation with the Canadian company - is the ability to use attraction is to integrate systems for avionitsi Ukrainian producers. That is basic, the lion's share comes a Canadian company, but integrated system is using the capacity of Ukrainian producers.
- I know that in addition to all of the Canadian company will be involved in the import Ukrainian producers, and as a separate producers from scratch will do the details. Which Ukrainian factories will be involved and how a lot of work?
- Enterprises aircraft Ukraine can produce any parts for aircraft. And we build our tactics in this way in order to attract maximum Ukrainian producers in cooperation with foreign partners in order to work and give businesses, and it certainly will give jobs to make money to stay in the country this way.
- Mr. Alexander, the aircraft is only certified not even fly, tested the various systems in it, but I know that the portfolio is large enough already on the plane. I mean the An-178. Azerbaijan stated that it is ready in its territory to produce these aircraft. That this contract, which is now, prior to 10 aircraft. The 10 aircraft will be how and where to produce? That all 10 in Azerbaijan? Is it half in Ukraine, half in Azerbaijan, as agreed already?
- Ten first aircraft will be produced in Ukraine. It is now for the first two aircraft under contract, we were advancing. That started the production of these two aircraft. In further arrangements, including the Presidents of Azerbaijan and Ukraine, said that Azerbaijan will create in their territory capacities that will enable them to final assembly of the aircraft on their territory.
UKRAINE So far, fortunately, is a Group of Seven countries that have full cycle from conceptual design to mass production of aircraft
- This is not the first country that claims to be deployed on its territory for the collection capacity Ukrainian aircraft.Before was Saudi Arabia, which is currently being prepared for production, rather to bookmarks plant for the production of AN-132. How is this project? I know that at the end of the year is up in the air An-132. How is the schedule? There is no lag?
- No no lag. We go according to schedule, ie before the end of the year An-132D, demonstrator, a rise in the sky. To demonstrate its capabilities with our Saudi partners. Then, of course, is the contract and we will create a co-production with Saudi Arabia have in their country.
- Here's more detail about the An-132 will be discussed. Together with Saudi Arabia Ukraine it does. A lot, say, on reservations to jointly produce the aircraft as a licensed, and many fear that as a result the aircraft may be in the intellectual property somewhere in the Middle East. How can this be?
- Firstly, I would not say so clearly that something will go entirely to the partners. Of course, under a partnership basis is that both the benefits and risks will be divided in half. Currently, we are building a demonstrator aircraft. In the future we plan to build a co-production in Saudi Arabia. This is an interesting project for us as for manufacturers and developers, and for Saudi Arabia, which intends, first, to have this type of aircraft, and secondly, to establish its own production of the aircraft.
- Well, if we talk about joint projects: Azerbaijan, said Saudi Arabia. Obviously including state-owned enterprise "Antonov" go for it because we need money. The funds for the creation of airplanes, the funds for the development of the aircraft. And the state does not support this aircraft. How many years have you do not have public funding from the state budget?
- Last, say, ten years was not just financial support. Really aircraft - a branch of the public interest. Ukraine so far, fortunately, part of the seven countries that have full cycle from conceptual design to serial production aircraft. If we do not have public support, then surely it all remain in the past. We understand the situation in the country, we understand that the country is using its limited financial resources, and we are not asking for direct financing. We ask the government to have supported the legislation, that it created the conditions for preferential tax treatment. That it gave us the opportunity to create joint ventures. We see that the current state leadership understands this and supports. That the President of Ukraine and visits to other countries, where one of the topics is sure to promote aircraft and aircraft on the world market.
Aircraft ENTERPRISE now able to establish joint ventures with foreign partners. In the law clearly stated impossibility of such companies from countries that officially recognized the aggressor
- The same Azerbaijan?
- The same Azerbaijan. Last week, as you know, has taken a number of bills on aircraft Ukraine. So we thank the MPs who supported Bill 241 voice 4809 on the establishment of joint ventures. That is Ukraine now has the opportunity and aircraft building enterprises have the ability to create joint ventures with foreign partners. I note here that the law clearly stated: the impossibility exception are only the creation of joint ventures with countries that officially recognized the aggressors, or for which there are certain limitations to the world - the embargo. For example, AN-132 with Saudi partners - we can now create a joint venture and certainly for our partners this is a guarantee that their investments will be distributed already guarantees. Similarly with Azerbaijan. The second bill to the preferential taxation, so we ask that the government has given us to 2025 do not pay land tax, do not pay income tax, and remove the value added tax on import of accessories that we deliver to Ukraine.
- That these funds will be used for aircraft production, the development of new aircraft?
- These funds will be used as working capital, for production aircraft.
- The amounts in question, if you take a whole?
- Speaking of the draft law on joint ventures, we have only An-132 project plans to raise about 3.4 billion hryvnia, only one project. On taxation, we can now save and redirect the production of aircraft about 2 billion. By the way, this bill just passed in the first reading. The third relates to the bill ... Today, what happens? Airlines Ukraine have in their parks about 19 aircraft that are temporarily imported into Ukraine through operational leasing - is a foreign aircraft. We plan to do so, so that these benefits were withdrawn because we have own production of such analogs. I ask Parliament to support us, to support domestic producers.
- This refers to passenger planes ...
- ... AN-148, AN-158.
- And another painful issue or problem the company - this footage. Staffing, I know that as a young staff going to the company, because one time was the problem that the frames were older, had a lot of retirees. What you with the level of salaries and are you able to keep young professionals, given that just opened across the street of "Boeing", which simply outbids Ukrainian engineers.
- Yes, really is the problem, the problem is not the first year. Despite the fact that last year we have raised the average salary somewhere around 20%.
- What is the level you specify?
- The average salary of about 9 thousand. Nevertheless, there is still a small outflow of personnel. Here I must pay tribute to our employees who truly patriotic and they understand that "Antonov" - a brand that should be supported, and patriotic they want to work. And the state, and the company's management in my face have to do everything so that people get decent wages.
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