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italy buys its first three f-35s. With a shocking announcement: “a jsf will cost less than a eurofighter typhoon” february 8, 2012
posted by david cenciotti in f-35, military aviation.
Tags: Eurofighter typhoon, italian air force, italian navy, lockheed martin,lockheed martin f-35 lightning ii, stovl
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on feb. 7, 2012, gen. Claudio debertolis, head of the agency that is responsible for the procurement of new armaments, has announced that italy has already ordered the first three lockheed martin f-35s.
Unit price: 80 million usd.
Talking to the lower house’s defense commitee, debertolis explained that these first planes will cost more than the rest of the fleet since costs are going to decrease as the program, currently in low rate initial production, continues. The italian high rank officer is particularly optimistic, as he believes that the unit price will be around 70 million each (lockheed martin estimates 65m usd for the f-35a and about 73m usd for the f-35b), less than the 79 million usd currently paid for the eurofighter typhoon and much less of the 121 million usd per aircraft anticipated in 2011.
Quite surprising, since unit price is one of the jsf partner’s main concern, but possible, considering also that the typhoon has just lost india’s mother of all tenders based on price.
Although there’s no official commitment yet, the initial requirement for italy foresaw 131 examples (69 conventional take-off and landing f-35as and 62 of the short take-off and vertical landing variant f-35bs). Debertolis confirmed that determining how many aircraft italy will purchase is not a current task, since it will depend on the defense budget review. Nevertheless, even if the number of aircraft will be much lower than the initial 131, the mod will work to make sure that the industry will get the expected compensation.
Italy is working on stretching deliveries and slowing purchase “a much easier task than that with the eurofighter program, since the f-35 procurement is modular therefore delays don’t imply increasing costs” debertolis said.
Furthermore with the recent eurofighter defeat in india, italy is going to stop working on the typhoon and “divert” part (if not all) of its workforce towards the f-35, being assembled at the cameri faco (final assembly and check out) facility.
Finally, debertolis has confirmed that italy will have both a and b variants, with the stovl (short take off vertical landing) ones serving both the air force and the navy, that will use them on the cavour aircraft carrier.
In spite of the widespread criticism surrounding the program and the global financial crisis it looks like the f-35 has, if not a bright future ahead, at least good chances to survive the austerity measures of the new monti’s technocratic cabinet.
حتى ( اهلها ) منزعجون منها ( industrial inefficiencies او عدم جدوى صناعية ):
the government threw down the gauntlet to the makers of the eurofighter yesterday, warning that it would no longer tolerate industrial inefficiencies that had effectively turned the project into a "charity".
the attack came as new figures suggested that the cost of buying 232 eurofighters for the raf is set to top £20 billion — making it far and away the most costly weapons project ever undertaken by britain.
Figures released by the national audit office, the official spending watchdog, put the current price of a single eurofighter, known as typhoon in the raf, at £66.7 million. That compares to a forecast price tag in 2003 of £56.8 million.
In a press conference coinciding with the release of the nao's annual report on major ministry of defence projects, lord drayson, the minister for defence procurement, criticised the four-nation european consortium, describing it as "not fit for
purpose".
Ominously, he refused to confirm that the raf would be allowed to buy the third and final batch of the 232 aircraft order, totalling 88 aircraft.
Loss of some or all of the "tranche 3" aircraft would threaten hundreds of jobs at bae plants in lancashire.
"the current structure of the national collaboration and the industrial collaboration is not fit for purpose," said lord drayson, who criticised eurofighter for charging too much for spares and the use of aircraft to test the new advanced air-to-air missile, meteor.
The company, he said, had to be restructured if the raf was to receive adequate support during the fighter's operational career.
Sir peter spencer, the civil servant in charge of procurement, was equally uncompromising, saying: "we are going to turn this charity into a business — and a cost-effective business.
"we are not prepared to pay inflated prices for risks we believe should be under the control of industry."
for the second year running the mod has been allowed by parliament to exclude crucial figures on the eurofighter from the nao report to protect its bargaining position with the consortium.
The most important is the "current forecast cost" of the entire project to the taxpayer. In 2003 it was £19.67 billion. Increases in labour costs and changes to software will easily take that figure higher if tranche 3 is bought.
Military experts said the temptation for the government to cut some or all of tranche 3 must be enormous, given the pressures on the defence budget caused by the wars in iraq and afghanistan.
The mod has not yet signed the final contract committing itself to the purchase. Asked about tranche 3, lord drayson said: "we are absolutely interested in negotiating."
critics of eurofighter-typhoon argue that it is a cold war relic that has consumed far too much of the mod's scarce resources.
Conceived 20 years ago to combat agile soviet fighters, the aircraft, made by britain, germany, italy and spain, is only now entering squadron service after delays and doubts over its future. The raf wants to use it in afghanistan next year.
وهنا عن تكلفة تشغيلها ( التي اعتقد انه كان لها اثر رئيس في فوز منافستها الرافال ) :
Flight hours of the eurofighter almost twice as expensive as expectd
the operating costs for the eurofighter are significantly higher than expected. With the price is 73 992 per flight hour, almost twice as high as originally planned. the "tornado", the most expensive aircraft in the air force, costs "only" 43 000 per hour. Much more expensive than previously thought so too are the flights of the air force on behalf of german industry. In february 2009, three eurofighter attended the air show aero india 2009 in part. India plans to purchase 126 new fighter aircraft. The eurofighter is in competition. The promotional flight lasted 96 hours and it cost 7.1 million. 180 000 asked the air force for charges. The rest is paid by the taxpayer. The trip was part of the normal flight program have been the air force justifies the cost. This year, the eurofighter is being tested in india. The aircraft is the air force again.
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