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اوكرانيا : "روسيا هي ببساطة ليست قادرة عل اسقاط صواريخنا" - الخبير العسكري
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اتمنى نجاح المشروع طبعا لانه سيعود بالنفع على السعوديه الشقيقه
وهذا ما يجعلنا نتمنى نجاح المشاريع الاوكرانيه فقط اما غير ذلك ف ربنا ياخد روسيا واوكرنيا
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وبالتوفيق للسعوديه الحبيبه
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أوكرانيا لديها بكج صاروخي كامل ،، دفاع جوي وكروز وتكتيكي ودفاع ساحلي وهي متعاونة مع السعوديه في هذا البكج صناعيا .
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اغلب اسلحه الروس هي في الاصل اوكرانيه المنشأ. البرنامج النووي الروسي هو اوكراني اصلا وتم تطويره على ايدي اوكرانيين. لا يغرك صغر مساحه اوكرانيا فهي متقدمه تقنيا عن روسيا. الفرق الوحيد عو عامل العدد.
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اصبح اعداء روسيا اكثر من الحقبة السوفيتية بكل المقايس
لكن مايخص موضوع الصواريخ الجوالة بصراحة اشوف اوكرانيا نجحت بشكل كبير في مشروعها وسببت صداع لحكومة بوتين في هذا الملف ولما شاهدنا زيادة منظومات اس 300 على طول الحدود الغربية لروسيا
عموماً البعض لا يؤيد اوكرانيا في المنتدى لحبهم للبسطار الروسي ويحتقر اي مقارنة اوكرانية لروسيا بالنسبة للصواريخ
لكن لو كان هناك ذرة عقل لعرف معنى المثل
عدو عدوي حليفي
بعدين اوكرانيا اشبه بالحيوان البري الطليق فرصة عربية لدعمها والاستفادة من الصناعات العسكرية الاوكرانيا ومن العقليات هناك روسيا مع ردائة صناعاتها لكن لاتصدر افضل صناعاتها للدول العربية للاسف ومن الغباء ان لا تؤيد التوجه لؤكرانيا لانها سوف تصدر لك افضل صناعاتها لانها بحاجة ماسة للدعم المادي
لكن مايخص موضوع الصواريخ الجوالة بصراحة اشوف اوكرانيا نجحت بشكل كبير في مشروعها وسببت صداع لحكومة بوتين في هذا الملف ولما شاهدنا زيادة منظومات اس 300 على طول الحدود الغربية لروسيا
عموماً البعض لا يؤيد اوكرانيا في المنتدى لحبهم للبسطار الروسي ويحتقر اي مقارنة اوكرانية لروسيا بالنسبة للصواريخ
لكن لو كان هناك ذرة عقل لعرف معنى المثل
عدو عدوي حليفي
بعدين اوكرانيا اشبه بالحيوان البري الطليق فرصة عربية لدعمها والاستفادة من الصناعات العسكرية الاوكرانيا ومن العقليات هناك روسيا مع ردائة صناعاتها لكن لاتصدر افضل صناعاتها للدول العربية للاسف ومن الغباء ان لا تؤيد التوجه لؤكرانيا لانها سوف تصدر لك افضل صناعاتها لانها بحاجة ماسة للدعم المادي
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اضف الى ذلك اقتصادهم ضعيف جدا... وهذا صلب الموضوع
اغلب اسلحه الروس هي في الاصل اوكرانيه المنشأ. البرنامج النووي الروسي هو اوكراني اصلا وتم تطويره على ايدي اوكرانيين. لا يغرك صغر مساحه اوكرانيا فهي متقدمه تقنيا عن روسيا. الفرق الوحيد عو عامل العدد.
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بالنسبة لي كلامك من ذهب
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بالتوفيق للشقيقة اوكرانيا حماها الله من الأخطار.
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#شبيحة_أوكرانيا
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بالتوفيق للشقيقة اوكرانيا حماها الله من الأخطار.
ليست شقيقة انما صديقة ..
الاشقاء هم الدول العربية والأسلامية فقط
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"Russia is simply not physically able to bring down our missiles" - military expert
Despite threats of strike in response to the missile strike, Ukraine has not abandoned the teachings about the Crimea. Relations between Kyiv and Moscow deteriorated again. On the eve of Russia announced that it will not prohibit flying over the peninsula of civil aviation.
A spokesman for the president of Ukraine Svyatoslav Tseholko said that during today's test was 16 in Kherson Ukrainian missile launches. According Tseholka, the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko told Defense Minister and Chief of the General Staff.
"All the (rocket - Ed.) Achieved goals. The challenge for today fully implemented, "- he wrote on his page on Facebook.
Training Air Force of Ukraine will continue on December 2.
As part of the Ukrainian maneuvers is tested medium-range anti-aircraft missiles on the high seas.
A spokesman for the president of Ukraine Svyatoslav Tseholko said that during today's test was 16 in Kherson Ukrainian missile launches. According Tseholka, the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko told Defense Minister and Chief of the General Staff.
"All the (rocket - Ed.) Achieved goals. The challenge for today fully implemented, "- he wrote on his page on Facebook.
Training Air Force of Ukraine will continue on December 2.
As part of the Ukrainian maneuvers is tested medium-range anti-aircraft missiles on the high seas.
To exercise involved the crews of combat and transport aircraft, units of anti-aircraft missile troops and forces of radio and communications.
Late last week, the Russian Defense Ministry handed military attached of the Embassy of Ukraine in Russia a protest note in connection with the plans of the Ukrainian side to close the 1 and 2 December airspace over the Black Sea on the west coast of the Crimean Peninsula for training. "Ukrainian Pravda" published a letter on the eve of the War Department on November 26, addressed to Ukrainian military attache. The paper reported that "in identifying the missiles started in that area, they will be destroyed by the air defense forces of Russia" and if Ukrainian missiles would threaten Russian objects, the "be struck for the destruction of their launch."
Then in Kiev reminded Moscow that according to all international agreements, the sovereign airspace of Russia to the Black Sea ends "in the middle of the Kerch Strait, which separates the Crimea and the Taman Peninsula," where the Ukrainian military is not going to carry out maneuvers.
According to the Ukrainian military intelligence, Russia overturned the Crimea anti-aircraft missile systems S-300-VM and transferred to the strengthened mode of service in the occupied peninsula all ground and naval air defense.
The evening of November 30 Secretary of National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDC) Oleksandr Turchynov said that "the threat of the Russian side to use weapons in response to conduct missile firing - an attempt to transfer the active phase hybrid war which Russia is against Ukraine in the last three years." In addition to direct threats, the secretary of NSDC of Ukraine drew attention to another aggressive step northern neighbor deployment close to the border of Ukraine of two new Russian motorized infantry divisions.
Foreign Ministry of Ukraine in the near future intends to send a protest note of and apply the international community through the application of its readiness to use military force when firing training near annexed Crimea.
On learning the south of Ukraine and their missile testing under Ukrainian military expert says Oleg Zhdanov :
Training held at the site "wide Lan" (in Mykolayiv). Missile launches are held in the Black Sea. If you look on the map, is near Odessa along the Crimean coast. The depth of the maneuvering area - 200 km, width - about 50 kilometers, is a corridor - a field for targets that we announce and airspace closed within a radius of 500 kilometers.We are officially warned the international community, fulfill all the requirements of international standards specifying the relevant coordinates of the area over which closed airspace.
Moreover, the illegal annexation of Crimea, no one recognized worldwide as the airspace above the Crimean peninsula Ukrainian manage dispatchers. All flights over the territory of Crimea, Kyiv without permission is illegal. We conduct training plan to improve the combat readiness of the Ukrainian army, and plus to this - testing new weapons.Including, perhaps, be tested and domestic missile system "Thunder 2".
- What is this complex and how far its missiles can hit targets?
- It tactical missile system, which was developed in the late 1990s - early 2000s Dnepropetrovsk design office "South". And today declared its tactical and technical characteristics of our army: guaranteed distance - 480 kilometers, and for the missiles directed for export - 270 kilometers. In the "South" say that you can install this main part of the engine that will launch missiles and a distance of 2000 kilometers. This missile base that, well, got off the shelves and shook the dust out of it, it almost was ready. Now it reproduced and trying to hold his trial.
- The Russian Defense Ministry threatened to attack Ukrainian launchers and missiles to shoot down Ukrainian if the shooting will be conducted in the sea area near the Crimea.
- The fact that today there is no way to combat tactical missiles (OTP). No missile system, no air defense system to shoot down such a missile can not, because the distance of 300 kilometers it overcomes in just 6 minutes. Remember the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein missile system S-300 model 1970. With the C-300 was carried out 169 launches in Tel Aviv during the first Gulf campaign. All the launches were successful. Americans after the war in all its reports recognized that this missile to shoot down failed. Speed missile - 1100 meters per second. Its all to see, but to respond to it and modern air defense system can not. In the future it is possible that these missiles will stray electron gun, taken into service in the United States.
That is, Russia can not physically bring down our missiles. As for our launchers, they are on the mainland Ukraine.
These exercises will be attended by international observers, including from NATO. We officially opened of the Alliance and NATO partners as we invite representatives of the alliance all our maneuvers. Now imagine applying missile strike on our launchers in the eyes of international observers. This actual war. Russia still can not decide what to do next with the Donbas. They are even afraid to acknowledge that their troops are there because it is in fact the legalization of war. The International Court in The Hague has compared the annexation of Crimea to armed conflict, that they are willing to consider it as a war crime. And they cause on our territory missile attack or bombing attack using aircraft? So then is all this tribunal. And in this case will only be strengthened sanctions against the country as the aggressor, who unleashed war in Europe.
Meanwhile, the Russian Federation, as the former head of the Foreign Intelligence Service of Ukraine, General Nikolai Malomuzh , seeks to use any drives, including rocket fire, for tension and strained relations with Ukraine:
"This increase in attacks in the Donbass, what Moscow is trying to blame the Ukraine and in Crimea arrests alleged" Ukrainian saboteurs ", and now, when we announced the training, they say they will destroy our missiles.Late last week, the Russian Defense Ministry handed military attached of the Embassy of Ukraine in Russia a protest note in connection with the plans of the Ukrainian side to close the 1 and 2 December airspace over the Black Sea on the west coast of the Crimean Peninsula for training. "Ukrainian Pravda" published a letter on the eve of the War Department on November 26, addressed to Ukrainian military attache. The paper reported that "in identifying the missiles started in that area, they will be destroyed by the air defense forces of Russia" and if Ukrainian missiles would threaten Russian objects, the "be struck for the destruction of their launch."
Then in Kiev reminded Moscow that according to all international agreements, the sovereign airspace of Russia to the Black Sea ends "in the middle of the Kerch Strait, which separates the Crimea and the Taman Peninsula," where the Ukrainian military is not going to carry out maneuvers.
According to the Ukrainian military intelligence, Russia overturned the Crimea anti-aircraft missile systems S-300-VM and transferred to the strengthened mode of service in the occupied peninsula all ground and naval air defense.
The evening of November 30 Secretary of National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDC) Oleksandr Turchynov said that "the threat of the Russian side to use weapons in response to conduct missile firing - an attempt to transfer the active phase hybrid war which Russia is against Ukraine in the last three years." In addition to direct threats, the secretary of NSDC of Ukraine drew attention to another aggressive step northern neighbor deployment close to the border of Ukraine of two new Russian motorized infantry divisions.
Foreign Ministry of Ukraine in the near future intends to send a protest note of and apply the international community through the application of its readiness to use military force when firing training near annexed Crimea.
On learning the south of Ukraine and their missile testing under Ukrainian military expert says Oleg Zhdanov :
Training held at the site "wide Lan" (in Mykolayiv). Missile launches are held in the Black Sea. If you look on the map, is near Odessa along the Crimean coast. The depth of the maneuvering area - 200 km, width - about 50 kilometers, is a corridor - a field for targets that we announce and airspace closed within a radius of 500 kilometers.We are officially warned the international community, fulfill all the requirements of international standards specifying the relevant coordinates of the area over which closed airspace.
Moreover, the illegal annexation of Crimea, no one recognized worldwide as the airspace above the Crimean peninsula Ukrainian manage dispatchers. All flights over the territory of Crimea, Kyiv without permission is illegal. We conduct training plan to improve the combat readiness of the Ukrainian army, and plus to this - testing new weapons.Including, perhaps, be tested and domestic missile system "Thunder 2".
- What is this complex and how far its missiles can hit targets?
- It tactical missile system, which was developed in the late 1990s - early 2000s Dnepropetrovsk design office "South". And today declared its tactical and technical characteristics of our army: guaranteed distance - 480 kilometers, and for the missiles directed for export - 270 kilometers. In the "South" say that you can install this main part of the engine that will launch missiles and a distance of 2000 kilometers. This missile base that, well, got off the shelves and shook the dust out of it, it almost was ready. Now it reproduced and trying to hold his trial.
- The Russian Defense Ministry threatened to attack Ukrainian launchers and missiles to shoot down Ukrainian if the shooting will be conducted in the sea area near the Crimea.
- The fact that today there is no way to combat tactical missiles (OTP). No missile system, no air defense system to shoot down such a missile can not, because the distance of 300 kilometers it overcomes in just 6 minutes. Remember the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein missile system S-300 model 1970. With the C-300 was carried out 169 launches in Tel Aviv during the first Gulf campaign. All the launches were successful. Americans after the war in all its reports recognized that this missile to shoot down failed. Speed missile - 1100 meters per second. Its all to see, but to respond to it and modern air defense system can not. In the future it is possible that these missiles will stray electron gun, taken into service in the United States.
That is, Russia can not physically bring down our missiles. As for our launchers, they are on the mainland Ukraine.
These exercises will be attended by international observers, including from NATO. We officially opened of the Alliance and NATO partners as we invite representatives of the alliance all our maneuvers. Now imagine applying missile strike on our launchers in the eyes of international observers. This actual war. Russia still can not decide what to do next with the Donbas. They are even afraid to acknowledge that their troops are there because it is in fact the legalization of war. The International Court in The Hague has compared the annexation of Crimea to armed conflict, that they are willing to consider it as a war crime. And they cause on our territory missile attack or bombing attack using aircraft? So then is all this tribunal. And in this case will only be strengthened sanctions against the country as the aggressor, who unleashed war in Europe.
Meanwhile, the Russian Federation, as the former head of the Foreign Intelligence Service of Ukraine, General Nikolai Malomuzh , seeks to use any drives, including rocket fire, for tension and strained relations with Ukraine:
Of course, they will show willingness to strike. Probably will lift into the air and aircraft, and adjust its anti-missile system, but most attacks on our facilities, I think it will not. This is the format of the Cold War, close to its warhead. Russian missile attack - is actually a war. It is unlikely that Moscow will take such a step, setting the whole world against itself not only in political and economic terms, but also in combat. This story will be most used by Russia to demonstrate its strength, but the hot phase, I think it will not come. Knowing tough, aggressive policy of Russia, we think, do not create preconditions for aggravation and maybe even accidental collisions. In terms of military threat from the east there is unwise to conduct training. After all, they could be and move. But we show integrity and declare that, in spite of that, training will take place in the planned area. "
Although international law is on the side of Ukraine, which declared education in the Black Sea, the current conflict situation with Russia, according to experts, can lead to a dangerous escalation of tensions.
A few days ago, the "Federal Air Transport Agency" said that "Ukraine unilaterally" allegedly decided to hold rocket fire a "sovereign airspace of Russia in the region of Crimea", which carried out flights of civil and state aircraft. This Moscow complained to the ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization, the International Civil Aviation Organization) plans to conduct military exercises Kyiv. At the same time Ukrainian State Aviation reminded that, in accordance with international standards, Ukraine is the only state that regulates the airspace over the Crimean peninsula, according to the ICAO Council decision of 17 February 1997.
Although international law is on the side of Ukraine the current conflict situation with Russia over the exercise, according to the director of the Ukrainian Institute of Policy Analysis and Management Ruslan Bortnik , can lead to a dangerous escalation of tension, "By and large we give Russia a pretext for a wide range of reactions. But what if, say, today some rocket explodes on the Crimean peninsula, at a social object?Can we prove that this is not rocket after our famous tragedy over the Black Sea with the loss of passenger aircraft (4 October 2001 in the Ukrainian Crimea Training of marine waters was accidentally shot down an airliner airline "Siberia" - Ed.) .Ukraine now has become a party political and technological game in which absolutely nothing of it does not depend on one side. And on the other - these studies are well invested in the strategy of the Russian leadership to our country, the implementation of which began in August, when the first group of the Crimea arrested allegedly "Ukrainian saboteurs." From this time Moscow has begun to talk about Ukrainian "aggressive" state, which is trying to derail talks in Minsk, and in the "Norman Quartet" to resolve the conflict in Donbas. For this purpose, Russian propaganda actively highlights detentions and arrests "Ukrainian saboteurs" attempt on the leader of the group "FSC" Igor carpentry and killing militants in Donetsk "Motorola" (Arsen Pavlov).
And the current Ukrainian military maneuvers also fit into this fabric, they allow the Kremlin to claim that Kyiv - "culprit" escalation of the situation and tried to spin the wheel of confrontation. It is not in our interests and learning taking place in its current form, it seems to cause less political harm Ukraine, as well as a maximum - the results can be very unpredictable, so that we solve the hands of Russia. "
As announced on December 1 President Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine conducts missile firing, despite the threat of Russia to "be prepared in case of a full-scale invasion of the Russian army in the country." He reported the first successful firing of anti-aircraft missiles near the Crimea.
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أوكرانيا كنز يجب إستغلاله
من أكبر مصنعى المحركات التى تُستخدم عسكريآ فى العالم
محركات صواريخ أرض أرض و كروز
محركات مدرعات و ناقلات و دبابات و قطع بحريه
أرجو أن تُركز السعوديه على هذا المجال
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اوكرانيا لديها داتا بيس صناعة الاسلحة السوفيتيه .. هذه الداتا بيس تحتوي على الاقل على الاساسيات المهمه وهي المفتاح لصناعة عسكريه ناجحه .. التطوير اسهل بكثير جدا من البدأ من العدم .. انا اتسأل لماذا لا يتم ابتعاث مجموعة من المهندسين الخريجين من جامعه مرموقه ( جامعة البترول والمعادن على سبيل المثال ) يرافقهم مجموعه من الفنيين الخريجين من الكليات الصناعيه للتدريب والدراسه في شركات صناعة السلاح الاوكرانيه والجامعات التابعه لهذه الشركات ؟ .. وليكن 100 مهندس و 1500 فني عدد مبدأي كدفعه اولى لهذا المشروع .. لا اعتقد ان اوكرانيا ستمانع في ظل الظروف الاقتصاديه والسياسيه الحاليه .. اتسأل ايضا هل من المعقول ان المسؤلين لدينا غير اكفاء لدرجة ان تفوتهم مثل هذه الافكار البسيطه البديهيه ؟ اذا كان الجواب نعم .. فماذا يفعل المسؤول في عمله اذا ؟ .. ( يقضيها شاي قهوه .. واتس اب وبلوت مثلا ؟ ) .. فعلا شي محير و مستفز لابعد درجه !
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