يبدو أن الرافال ستكون هى الفائزه بالمناقصه الهنديه

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أعلم إن العنوان غريب نوعآ ما
لكن المتابع لزيارة وزير الدفاع الفرنسى إلى الهند
قبل وقت قليل من إختيار الهند المقاتله الفائزه
ومباحثاته مع العسكريين الهنود يستطيع أن يتوقع ذلك


فى حين إن المواقع العسكريه العالميه
نشرت أخبار تحت عنوان
إن الهند تحث فرنسا عن عدم بيع سلاح لباكستان
وتقول هناك مشاورات لإنتاج دفاع جوى مشترك
ومفاوضات لبيع الهند صواريخ جوجو خارج نطاق الخدمه


India Urges France To Stop Arms Sales to Pakistan

NEW DELHI - India has told France to stop supplying weapons and equipment to Pakistan in the name of fighting . The issue arose during talks between French Defense Minister Gerard Longuet and Indian Defence Minister A.K. Antony during Longuet's visit here May 27.
Longuet confirmed India's expressions of concern about supplying weapons, telling reporters, "[India's] concern about weapon sales [by France to Pakistan] was raised."
France cannot afford to ignore New Delhi's concerns at a time when the French is competing in India's $10 billion Medium Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) program, which is in the final stages of evaluation, said Mahindra Singh, a retired Indian Army major general and independent defense analyst here.

Longuet also told reporters that India and France would hold land-based joint exercises in the future.
Longuet made a pitch for the during his talks with Antony, an Indian Defence Ministry source said.
Another topic that was discussed was joint development on an air defense system under the proposed Maitri project. However, no details are known on its progress.
The French also offered to sell India a variety of missiles, including beyond-visual-range missiles, said a diplomat of the French Embassy in New Delhi


http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=6644993&c=ASI&s=AIR







نجد إن الصحافه الهنديه
تنش أخبار تفيد بأن وزير الدفاع الفرنسى
قال إن بلاده لن تبيع أسلاحه ثقيله لباكستان
وأنه حث الهنود على شراء المقاتلات من مصدر واحد
أفضل من كونسورتوم مكون من عدة دول
وهى إشاره لتفضيل الرافال على التايفون
و وجود مشاريع عسكريه كبيره لباكستان فى الهند
كتطوير الميراج الهندى التى سستكلف 2.4 مليار دولار



وبناء 6 غواصات سكوربين

France stops military equipment sales to Pakistan

BANGALORE: France will stop sales of heavy military equipment to Pakistan hoping to assuage Indian concerns and prolong the recent success it has had in winning contracts from the Indian armed forces.
Gerard Longuet, the , began his two-day visit to India by assuring the country that France does not want to be seen feeding Pakistan's military ambitions.
"Concerns did come up in my discussions with the defence minister about India's concerns. We supply Pakistan equipment that enables them to intercept terrorist communications. And we have decided to discourage any requests from Pakistan for heavy equipment, notably naval equipment," the defence minister said.


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While Longuet did not expressly mention the , he strongly alluded to the agency's suspected role in providing a safe haven to the 9/11 mastermind.
"After the death of Osama bin Laden, Pakistan should be given an opportunity to explain its position vis-à-vis ," he said.
India, for long, has maintained that the sale of weapons by the West to Pakistan in the name of terrorism has instead been used by latter to build its own military arsenal rather than the actual purpose of the sale.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy during his state visit to India last year had called upon Pakistan to fight terrorism more determinedly.
There is a reason behind the hard line against Pakistan on the issue. French companies have had remarkable success in winning key defence contracts in India, including being short-listed for the $11-billion Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender, often described as the – the famed arms race to supply the Saudi Kingdom in the 1980s - of the modern era.
Further, India's efforts to build up its submarine fleet, with Project 75 and 75I – to build six Scorpene submarines, will also see French defence companies playing an integral role.
The $2.4-billion Mirage-2000 upgrade is also expected to be announced shortly. Last week ET had reported that the Cabinet Committee on Security, the apex body which is responsible for large defence procurements, had already given its approval for the contract. French defence giants Dassault Aviation, Thales and will be the lead contractors on the project
"The France-Pakistan relationship is largely based on geo-political terms. France, which is one of the most multi-cultural societies in Europe, has to take into consideration global issues. But there has been major reorientation in its foreign policy towards Pakistan," Deba Ranjan Mohanty, senior fellow with the New Delhi-based Observer Research Foundation, said.
Paris has been keen to establish closer defence and strategic ties with New Delhi, and by positioning itself as a more natural ally of India, it provides an interesting bulwark to the growing proximity between South Block and Pentagon.
"As most bilateral relationships, this is also a product of politics and economics. There is a massive commercial and strategic angle. India is not only a huge market, it is also seen as the only stable force in a very volatile region," Mohanty said.


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Mr Longuet's visit comes also at a time when India is looking to finalise the lucrative $11-billion fighter jet deal for the Indian Air Force. French aerospace giant, is one of the contenders, through its offering, .
"We have one single speaking partner (Dassault) instead of four partners (European firms from Italy, Germany, Spain and UK). Mr Longuet said, taking an expected swipe at rival short-listed candidate, the pan-European consortium built, .
The tender is considered the most high-profile military aviation contracts in recent times, and had some of the world's largest defence vendors vying for it, including Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Saab.
The French minister also said that a decision on the IAF's $2.4-billion Mirage-2000 fleet upgrade was also eagerly awaited.
"We are in the final stages of the upgrade agreement. It is up to the Indian political establishment to take a decision. We are confident that it will happen soon," he said.
France's ambassador to India, Jerome Bonnafont also confirmed that price negotiations over the deal had been completed, and a decision was awaited


http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-05-27/news/29589803_1_french-defence-pakistan-for-heavy-equipment-notably-naval-equipment






مما سبق يتضح المصالح المشتركه بين البلدين
وكلمة السر هى باكستان


الهند تقول لفرنسا لا تبيعى السلاح إلى باكستان
وفى المقابل ستشترى الهند أسلحه فرنسيه


فأتوقع إن فرنسا ستلعب بهذه الورقه للضغط على الهند
فلو قررت الهند شراء التايفون
ستقوم فرنسا بالتلميح ببيع أسلحه إلى باكستان
فما رأيكم فيما أتوقعه


 
رد: يبدو أن الرافال ستكون هى الفائزه بالمناقصه الهنديه

السؤال اين دور باكستان من هذا ؟؟!!
 
رد: يبدو أن الرافال ستكون هى الفائزه بالمناقصه الهنديه

السؤال اين دور باكستان من هذا ؟؟!!

كيف تريد باكستان أن تتدخل وهي أصبحت بين طرفي الكماشة الأمريكية والمشاكل الداخلية التي لاتحصى
نسال الله أن يحفظ بلاد المسلمين من كل شر.

تنويه حينما طلبت باكستان طائرات f16 وتم تسليم المبالغ رفضت أمريكا تسليم الطائرات بسبب النووي الباكستاني بينما الهند تم تكريمها بمشاركة الكيان الصهيوني في المشاريع الهندية ولم يتم تسليم الطائرات الا حينما سمحت باكستان للتحالف بمهاجمة طالبان من أراضيها.
 
رد: يبدو أن الرافال ستكون هى الفائزه بالمناقصه الهنديه

كلمة السر هي من سيقف مع باكستان او من سيدعمها؟؟؟
 
رد: يبدو أن الرافال ستكون هى الفائزه بالمناقصه الهنديه

كل شيئ متوقع في عالم الاسلحة و من يدري ماذا يخبئ الغد ؟
 
رد: يبدو أن الرافال ستكون هى الفائزه بالمناقصه الهنديه

كلمة السر هي من سيقف مع باكستان او من سيدعمها؟؟؟


خخخخ مثيرة للشفقة ......... هذه حالها وحال كل من يضع يده بيد امريكا ...........

بالمناسبة انا متاكد من فوز الرفال اذا كانت في النهائي مع التايفون لعدة اعتبارات .......

بكستان قررت ان تسير بالطريق الخطا وهو نفسه الطريق الذي سلكه اغلب العرب .....

:ANSmile04[1]: شخصيا مسرور للهند لعدة اعتبارات ....... ولن احزن على باكستان " فلذيها العرب " ..
 
رد: يبدو أن الرافال ستكون هى الفائزه بالمناقصه الهنديه

مشكلة باكستان الحقيقية ليست الهند ....... فباكستان تمتلك جيش واسلحه نووية قادرة على الردع واذا كانت الهند ستمتلك الرافال فباكستان ستمتلك سلسلة من مقاتلات j ...........وباكستان تحظى بدعم عربي من دول عربية

لكن مشكلة باكستان الحقيقية مماثلة لبعض الدول العربية وهي وجود قدر كبير من الجهل بالمصلحه القومية للبلد والخوف على باكستان ان تتعرض مستقبلا لتجريدها من اسلحتها النووية بحجة القاعده.. فكثير من الدول ستخسر امنها واسلحتها بحجة القاعده او بحجة الفساد او بحجة العدل والمساواة ...الخ

فالهند مثلا يوجد بها فقراء بعدد اكبر من عدد الوطن العربي كله ويوجد بها ديانات متعدده ويوجد فيها فساد واغنياء وطبقات ولكن لا تجد ان هناك شخص يريد ان يخرب بلده وبيته من اجل ان يجعل الهند مثلا دولة سيخية نقية او مسلمة او بوذية .....

هذه مشكلة باكستان الحقيقية انها ستهزم بدون مواجهه مثل بعض الدول العربية بسبب عدم وعي شعوبها بما يجري ......... اما الهند فرؤوس نووية في باكستان تكفي لان تجعلها على الاقل تحسب الف مرة قبل ان تقوم باي خطوة ....... لكن الهند تعرف بان لديها فرصتين لهزيمة باكستان

اولا عن طريق الامم المتحده بحجة القاعده مستقبلا

او عن طريق اقامة درعها الصاروخي المضاد للصواريخ
 
رد: يبدو أن الرافال ستكون هى الفائزه بالمناقصه الهنديه




أعلم إن العنوان غريب نوعآ ما
لكن المتابع لزيارة وزير الدفاع الفرنسى إلى الهند
قبل وقت قليل من إختيار الهند المقاتله الفائزه
ومباحثاته مع العسكريين الهنود يستطيع أن يتوقع ذلك


فى حين إن المواقع العسكريه العالميه
نشرت أخبار تحت عنوان
إن الهند تحث فرنسا عن عدم بيع سلاح لباكستان
وتقول هناك مشاورات لإنتاج دفاع جوى مشترك
ومفاوضات لبيع الهند صواريخ جوجو خارج نطاق الخدمه


india urges france to stop arms sales to pakistan

new delhi - india has told france to stop supplying weapons and equipment to pakistan in the name of fighting . The issue arose during talks between french defense minister gerard longuet and indian defence minister a.k. Antony during longuet's visit here may 27.
longuet confirmed india's expressions of concern about supplying weapons, telling reporters, "[india's] concern about weapon sales [by france to pakistan] was raised."
france cannot afford to ignore new delhi's concerns at a time when the french is competing in india's $10 billion medium combat aircraft (mmrca) program, which is in the final stages of evaluation, said mahindra singh, a retired indian army major general and independent defense analyst here.

longuet also told reporters that india and france would hold land-based joint exercises in the future.
longuet made a pitch for the during his talks with antony, an indian defence ministry source said.
another topic that was discussed was joint development on an air defense system under the proposed maitri project. However, no details are known on its progress.
the french also offered to sell india a variety of missiles, including beyond-visual-range missiles, said a diplomat of the french embassy in new delhi


http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=6644993&c=asi&s=air







نجد إن الصحافه الهنديه
تنش أخبار تفيد بأن وزير الدفاع الفرنسى
قال إن بلاده لن تبيع أسلاحه ثقيله لباكستان
وأنه حث الهنود على شراء المقاتلات من مصدر واحد
أفضل من كونسورتوم مكون من عدة دول
وهى إشاره لتفضيل الرافال على التايفون
و وجود مشاريع عسكريه كبيره لباكستان فى الهند
كتطوير الميراج الهندى التى سستكلف 2.4 مليار دولار



وبناء 6 غواصات سكوربين

france stops military equipment sales to pakistan

bangalore: France will stop sales of heavy military equipment to pakistan hoping to assuage indian concerns and prolong the recent success it has had in winning contracts from the indian armed forces.
gerard longuet, the , began his two-day visit to india by assuring the country that france does not want to be seen feeding pakistan's military ambitions.
"concerns did come up in my discussions with the defence minister about india's concerns. We supply pakistan equipment that enables them to intercept terrorist communications. And we have decided to discourage any requests from pakistan for heavy equipment, notably naval equipment," the defence minister said.


pixel.gif

while longuet did not expressly mention the , he strongly alluded to the agency's suspected role in providing a safe haven to the 9/11 mastermind.
"after the death of osama bin laden, pakistan should be given an opportunity to explain its position vis-à-vis ," he said.
india, for long, has maintained that the sale of weapons by the west to pakistan in the name of terrorism has instead been used by latter to build its own military arsenal rather than the actual purpose of the sale.
french president nicolas sarkozy during his state visit to india last year had called upon pakistan to fight terrorism more determinedly.
there is a reason behind the hard line against pakistan on the issue. French companies have had remarkable success in winning key defence contracts in india, including being short-listed for the $11-billion medium multi-role combat aircraft (mmrca) tender, often described as the – the famed arms race to supply the saudi kingdom in the 1980s - of the modern era.
further, india's efforts to build up its submarine fleet, with project 75 and 75i – to build six scorpene submarines, will also see french defence companies playing an integral role.
the $2.4-billion mirage-2000 upgrade is also expected to be announced shortly. Last week et had reported that the cabinet committee on security, the apex body which is responsible for large defence procurements, had already given its approval for the contract. French defence giants dassault aviation, thales and will be the lead contractors on the project
"the france-pakistan relationship is largely based on geo-political terms. France, which is one of the most multi-cultural societies in europe, has to take into consideration global issues. But there has been major reorientation in its foreign policy towards pakistan," deba ranjan mohanty, senior fellow with the new delhi-based observer research foundation, said.
paris has been keen to establish closer defence and strategic ties with new delhi, and by positioning itself as a more natural ally of india, it provides an interesting bulwark to the growing proximity between south block and pentagon.
"as most bilateral relationships, this is also a product of politics and economics. There is a massive commercial and strategic angle. India is not only a huge market, it is also seen as the only stable force in a very volatile region," mohanty said.


pixel.gif

mr longuet's visit comes also at a time when india is looking to finalise the lucrative $11-billion fighter jet deal for the indian air force. French aerospace giant, is one of the contenders, through its offering, .
"we have one single speaking partner (dassault) instead of four partners (european firms from italy, germany, spain and uk). Mr longuet said, taking an expected swipe at rival short-listed candidate, the pan-european consortium built, .
the tender is considered the most high-profile military aviation contracts in recent times, and had some of the world's largest defence vendors vying for it, including lockheed martin, boeing and saab.
the french minister also said that a decision on the iaf's $2.4-billion mirage-2000 fleet upgrade was also eagerly awaited.
"we are in the final stages of the upgrade agreement. It is up to the indian political establishment to take a decision. We are confident that it will happen soon," he said.
france's ambassador to india, jerome bonnafont also confirmed that price negotiations over the deal had been completed, and a decision was awaited


http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-05-27/news/29589803_1_french-defence-pakistan-for-heavy-equipment-notably-naval-equipment






مما سبق يتضح المصالح المشتركه بين البلدين
وكلمة السر هى باكستان


الهند تقول لفرنسا لا تبيعى السلاح إلى باكستان
وفى المقابل ستشترى الهند أسلحه فرنسيه


فأتوقع إن فرنسا ستلعب بهذه الورقه للضغط على الهند
فلو قررت الهند شراء التايفون
ستقوم فرنسا بالتلميح ببيع أسلحه إلى باكستان
فما رأيكم فيما أتوقعه



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